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Old Jan 4, 2023, 4:53 pm
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Hey buddy, that is an 0 not O

I just learned that all AAdvantage numbers that have a mix of letters and numbers ONLY has a 0 (number zero) and not an O (capital letter O) as the letter O is not part of anyone membership.
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Old Jan 4, 2023, 5:06 pm
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O, but 0 interest!
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Old Jan 4, 2023, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by georgeroads
O, but 0 interest!
You obviously don't have an 0 in your membership number as sometimes you read it or have to enter it online and it is easy to mix up.
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Old Jan 4, 2023, 5:20 pm
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On the rare occasions that I have to provide my AAdvantage number over the phone, I always say, "the numeral zero" when I get to the "0" in my AAdvantage number.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 6:10 am
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I clearly feel like getting flamed today as I can't help but say that zero is not a number.

*ducks*
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by guv1976
On the rare occasions that I have to provide my AAdvantage number over the phone, I always say, "the numeral zero" when I get to the "0" in my AAdvantage number.
As opposed to the alpha character zero? 😉😊
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by roberino
I clearly feel like getting flamed today as I can't help but say that zero is not a number.

*ducks*
Ok, I'll bite. The greatest minds in math have differed over this since the abacus was invented. I'm in the "Zero IS considered a number" camp, but it's neither positive nor negative. But it does signify an empty quality, it is used in calculations, it represents a baseline. The same argument has been made that negative numbers are not 'numbers' because they don't represent a quantity. It won't be long before this debate moves over to the Omni forum. So get this back on track, my AA number has a ZERO at the end of it. I never once considered it a letter, but maybe because my account "number" is XXX####.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 7:10 am
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Ok, I'll bite. The greatest minds in math have differed over this since the abacus was invented. I'm in the "Zero IS considered a number" camp, but it's neither positive nor negative. But it does signify an empty quality, it is used in calculations, it represents a baseline. The same argument has been made that negative numbers are not 'numbers' because they don't represent a quantity. It won't be long before this debate moves over to the Omni forum. So get this back on track, my AA number has a ZERO at the end of it. I never once considered it a letter, but maybe because my account "number" is XXX####.
I didn't come here for an argument. That's in Room 12A.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 10:54 am
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I never understood the purpose of using letters in membership numbers, it just makes for difficulty in VOR systems. I get it, 26 options vs. 10 per character, but just make the number 1-2 characters longer. Letters are a bad idea in membership credentials that need to be shared via phone.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by roberino
I clearly feel like getting flamed today as I can't help but say that zero is not a number.

*ducks*
And yet the computer / mobile device you are using wouldn't work without a gazoober (or is that gaz00ber?) of zeros! And then what about imaginary numbers? Egad! Or irrational ones? Oh no! Or complex ones? Or quaternions? Or octonions?

For me (getting back on track), I've never understood why PNRs use the full character set. To eliminate potential ambiguities, one would expect they use only one of 0/O, 1/I/L, J/G (many non-native English speakers get those confused), V/W (again, can be confused in other languages), etc.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by jpezaris
For me (getting back on track), I've never understood why PNRs use the full character set. To eliminate potential ambiguities, one would expect they use only one of 0/O, 1/I/L, J/G (many non-native English speakers get those confused), V/W (again, can be confused in other languages), etc.
Agreed...somebody must have studied this and we should eliminate confusing letters/numbers from membeship numbers. Besides, with 8 characters using four letters and 4 numbers (or the other way around) there would be enough for the entire planet.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 1:49 pm
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So, why wasn’t there a year zero? No Roman numeral for it.

I do know a guy who is so afraid of negative numbers he will stop at nothing to avoid them. (I know too many math jokes)
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 1:49 pm
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Learned this long ago...
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by MiamiBill
I just learned that all AAdvantage numbers that have a mix of letters and numbers ONLY has a 0 (number zero) and not an O (capital letter O) as the letter O is not part of anyone membership.
In the software I use zero (0) is a number. NaN is not a number, or more precisely, not a number is written NaN.

I had a colleague once who could have spent the entire lunch hour pontificating about the number-ness of zero, starting from ancient Egypt and working up to the present day.
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Old Jan 5, 2023, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by jpezaris
For me (getting back on track), I've never understood why PNRs use the full character set. To eliminate potential ambiguities, one would expect they use only one of 0/O, 1/I/L, J/G (many non-native English speakers get those confused), V/W (again, can be confused in other languages), etc.
That's why there are various phoenetic alphabets in use - none of these are confused then.
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