ROC-MAD via PHL or CLT? 788 or 772?
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: NYS
Programs: Days of Our Lives, General Hospital
Posts: 1,495
ROC-MAD via PHL or CLT? 788 or 772?
For a miles booking from Rochester, NY, to Madrid, the one-stop options are via Philadelphia or Charlotte. I'd book in J.
PHL: ROC-PHL is in an E-145, so no F for the short leg, and it would arrive in terminal F, while the MAD flight would likely leave from A-West, a difficult transfer. The PHL-MAD flight is in a 788.
CLT: ROC-CLT probably an A319, while CLT-MAD is a 772, a plane I haven't much liked for long hauls, although the seating configuration in J is the same in both. I don't know the layout of CLT airport well enough to guess what gates would be used.
The price in miles is the same, so which should I prefer?
PHL: ROC-PHL is in an E-145, so no F for the short leg, and it would arrive in terminal F, while the MAD flight would likely leave from A-West, a difficult transfer. The PHL-MAD flight is in a 788.
CLT: ROC-CLT probably an A319, while CLT-MAD is a 772, a plane I haven't much liked for long hauls, although the seating configuration in J is the same in both. I don't know the layout of CLT airport well enough to guess what gates would be used.
The price in miles is the same, so which should I prefer?
#3
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,222
772 gives you a higher likelihood of not getting the zodiac rocking seats.
The above combined with avoiding PHL, make the CLT option a slam dunk, IMO.
The above combined with avoiding PHL, make the CLT option a slam dunk, IMO.
#5
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,222
#6
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: AA 1MM EXP, DL Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Bonvoy Ambassador (RIP SPG), Aeroplan 75K
Posts: 1,144
I’d go with CLT for the aforementioned reasons and some additional time to sleep due to the duration (in theory). JFK is another option, but I understand not wanting to deal with B6 / the connection between T5-T8.
Hopefully they’re publishing web specials on this route!
Hopefully they’re publishing web specials on this route!
#7
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 2,094
I’d choose PHL. Why spend at an hour more on the plane each way flying south to CLT and then back north to ROC or MAD?
The distance between gates at CLT should be less but CLT is a ridiculously overcrowded airport and even the Admirals Clubs are ridiculously overcrowded and unpleasant.
The distance between gates at CLT should be less but CLT is a ridiculously overcrowded airport and even the Admirals Clubs are ridiculously overcrowded and unpleasant.
#8
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2019
Programs: AA: CK
Posts: 2,230
CLT for sure. 772 is >50% chance of not having the Zodiac seats. See: https://sites.google.com/site/newame...0er?authuser=0
Also, transfer sounds easier in CLT.
Also, J on the ROC-CLT segment.
Why on earth are you even considering PHL?
Also, transfer sounds easier in CLT.
Also, J on the ROC-CLT segment.
Why on earth are you even considering PHL?
#9
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: RDU <|> MMX
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, SK EBS
Posts: 12,443
Neither of these are really going to offer an exemplary business class experience so, using miles, I would just go with whatever costs less.
That said, if they're the same price, then PHL, purely for a slightly later departure to MAD. The ~4pm CLT departures to Europe are awful.
That said, if they're the same price, then PHL, purely for a slightly later departure to MAD. The ~4pm CLT departures to Europe are awful.
#10
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2019
Programs: AA: CK
Posts: 2,230
Neither of these are really going to offer an exemplary business class experience so, using miles, I would just go with whatever costs less.
That said, if they're the same price, then PHL, purely for a slightly later departure to MAD. The ~4pm CLT departures to Europe are awful.
That said, if they're the same price, then PHL, purely for a slightly later departure to MAD. The ~4pm CLT departures to Europe are awful.
#11
Original Poster
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: NYS
Programs: Days of Our Lives, General Hospital
Posts: 1,495
Possible, but then it's JFK. I'm not sure that it would be better than PHL.
rocking seats? I have heard unfavorable comments about the 787 seats but they weren't specific.
Kind of a long story. More than half the miles were earned almost 15 years ago through promotions on US, flying from ELM or ITH, neither of which has AA service now, so I was used to flying into PHL on a Dash-8. Thus, I'm not especially put off by the 145. But I had one harrowing connection to London in which I had to make it from F to A-West in 13 minutes -- and did, but I'm that much older now and don't exactly want to try it again, and it appears that there are more delays with regional flights than with mainline, two points in favor of CLT. F for ROC-CLT vs. no F for ROC-PHL is less of a concern, just because the flight is that much shorter. (BTW, US never offered beverage service on the Dash, in my experience. After the merger I was astonished to see that the Dash-8 was equipped with a miniature beverage cart, although some FAs would serve drinks from a tray instead.)
My issue with the 772 is that the noise in the front cabin is so loud, not only from the engines, but from the ventilation system. I don't know whether the 787 is any better in that respect.
CLT for sure. 772 is >50% chance of not having the Zodiac seats. See: https://sites.google.com/site/newame...0er?authuser=0
Also, transfer sounds easier in CLT.
Also, J on the ROC-CLT segment.
Why on earth are you even considering PHL?
Also, transfer sounds easier in CLT.
Also, J on the ROC-CLT segment.
Why on earth are you even considering PHL?
My issue with the 772 is that the noise in the front cabin is so loud, not only from the engines, but from the ventilation system. I don't know whether the 787 is any better in that respect.
#12
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: RDU <|> MMX
Programs: AA EXP 2MM, SK EBS
Posts: 12,443
In both cases you get of the first flight and walk to the lounge, or the next flight. In PHL your walk could be about 5-10 mins longer.
CLT is a dump, and CLT-MAD is a 4:45pm departure which is reason enough to avoid it all together IMO, in spite of the extra few mins of walking and having to take a quick ERJ flight to PHL.
#13
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Not here; there!
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 29,536
Why? There's an airside bus from the B6 terminal to the AA terminal, and if you miss AA's evening JFK-MAD nonstop, there's a later one on IB (which might or might not have Business Class seats still available).
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott Bonvoy Titanium| Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 11,222
It's not like a see saw or anything, but it's still annoying. Like someone in Y getting up and pulling your seat a little. 787 is much quieter.
#15
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: PHL/LAX/MAD (for now)
Programs: American Airlines Executive Platinum, AmEx Membership Rewards
Posts: 871
I'd personally do PHL because a 4pm departure sounds horrendous. But I'd seriously consider flying to JFK on JetBlue or Delta for two reasons. 1. JFK has the new joint-lounges, which to state the obvious, will blow the Admirals Clubs in PHL/CLT out of the water. 2. JFK has a 7:30 departure time, which in theory will make it easier to sleep.
You didn't specify when you were going, but a quick search on Google Flights is showing tickets as low as $49 OW, but mostly around $69.
You didn't specify when you were going, but a quick search on Google Flights is showing tickets as low as $49 OW, but mostly around $69.