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First Experience as EXP - AA is flooded with Elites

Old Nov 11, 22, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by carlosdca
If they don't travel much then it is very likely that they won't be the ones populating the upgrade list. Unless they fly a lot, which then contradicts your premise.

I really don't understand what the problem is. If earning LPs with credit cards, hotels, etc is that easy, why doesn't everybody just do the same and add those points to the ones earned flying?
It is not that those earning LPs flying can't earn points other ways.
It is more complicated than that. That is any given person who qualifies only on CC and rarely flies is unlikely to be on a given upgrade list. The problem is that there are likely to be MANY MANY of these one-off fliers so many many lists will have a couple of these folks ahead of those without a gazillion LPs but yet fly a lot.
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Old Nov 11, 22, 4:05 pm
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Originally Posted by remedy
# 6 on the upgrade list with no open seats in first ( PHL => PHX) A good example of hub to hub experience.
And NEVER get upgraded from PHX => CMH => PHX, which we fly a LOT. Getting tough even using mile$!
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Old Nov 11, 22, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by remedy
And NEVER get upgraded from PHX => CMH => PHX, which we fly a LOT. Getting tough even using mile$!
Seems like whenever I'm on that route it's the old 319 planes with only 8 F seats. Very hard indeed to upgrade. Last time I just paid $194 to do it.
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Old Nov 11, 22, 5:30 pm
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As a follow up here, my flight from DEN - PHX was totally full in first, I was 9 on the list. PHX - LAS I was upgraded at the gate. For giggles I counted how may people were in front of me when called up for group 1 boarding DEN - PHX, 34 were in line, yikes. PHX to LAS I did not have a chance to count as I was at the counter due to them calling my name. I honestly didn't even look at the list for this flight, figured there was no chance I would be upgraded.
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Old Nov 12, 22, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerBeek
<snip>Devaluation of elite status is no worse on AA than others, in my experience.

-FlyerBeek
In general, I agree with your statement and this is our experience as well. That said, this is really the first year of AA's new loyal points scheme, and I do think it would be naive to not acknowledge that it now seems far, far easier to earn status if one is willing to chase some of the outsize LP earning opportunities. So given its only the first year, I'm not sure we yet fully understand the impact on the program. Certainly, time will tell...

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Old Nov 12, 22, 7:18 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVEL4SCUBA
As a follow up here, my flight from DEN - PHX was totally full in first, I was 9 on the list. PHX - LAS I was upgraded at the gate. For giggles I counted how may people were in front of me when called up for group 1 boarding DEN - PHX, 34 were in line, yikes. PHX to LAS I did not have a chance to count as I was at the counter due to them calling my name. I honestly didn't even look at the list for this flight, figured there was no chance I would be upgraded.
I wish that the only people who line up when a group number is called were people who actually have that group number. I don't think that's a reliable indicator that 34 people actually had group 1/EXP, to be honest.

Soooo how many people line up immediately when the flights are crowded, especially on a busy route into a hub on a smallish 319. I've been behind "group 1" people who have no idea what they're doing or where they're supposed to stand but they're in the group 1 line, and they're like group 9. A lot of gate agents don't enforce it. But that's a different subject
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Old Nov 12, 22, 9:16 am
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Originally Posted by plancast
I have been EXP for the past 2 years and my experience has been different as most of my status was through flights mostly. I have added the Aviator as my primary card now but have been 1 or 2 on all upgrade lists when I haven't (very rarely) been upgraded 100 hours before my departure times. So I think AA is factoring in the method of obtaining status. I was not upgraded recently, but that was out of DFW where I was number 2 on the upgrade list. This leads me to believe there is some ranking beyond just pure loyalty points. My 2 cents.
So are you suggesting that an EP with 500k LPs is trumped by an EP with 201k LPs if the latter has an AA CC? Seems like a bit of a stretch considering that the CC doesnt currently factor into AAs tiebreaker logic:

If the upgrade type and 12-month rolling Loyalty Points value are the same well look at the booking code then date/time of the request to determine prioritization.
Did you accrue substantially more LPs etc or change routes?

It has been mentioned before, but I find AAs upgrade system for high spend elites far better than DLs system as it is based on some sort of spend metric rather than fare class / date of purchase. Ive been Diamond for two years and only fly DL when needed. Ive been fortunate that most of my upgrades have cleared, but the lists are long and many clanky tags are usually headed beyond F.

Im not the biggest fan of the LP concept given the number of ways to work the system, but thats the game we must all play.

Sitting at 484k LPs (80%+ from ticket spend) has allowed me to clear some tough upgrades before showing up to the airport. The only upgrade Ive missed in nearly three years where I didnt proactively up-fare etc. was MIA-BOS on a Tuesday night, and that was because they had very aggressively priced the instant upgrade. Ended up 1 of ~15 and was content with row 17 on a 738.

With respect to the free agent approach that is a nice idea until IROPS where you cant get a hold of anyone (more so than with status) or stuck on an endless line of people trying to get rebooked.
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Old Nov 12, 22, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by LovePrunes
I wish that the only people who line up when a group number is called were people who actually have that group number. I don't think that's a reliable indicator that 34 people actually had group 1/EXP, to be honest.

Soooo how many people line up immediately when the flights are crowded, especially on a busy route into a hub on a smallish 319. I've been behind "group 1" people who have no idea what they're doing or where they're supposed to stand but they're in the group 1 line, and they're like group 9. A lot of gate agents don't enforce it. But that's a different subject
I dont believe I witnessed any enforcement of group boarding by gate agents on AA in years. Its free for all and the real Group 1 has to fight to get even behind Group 9 folks who decide to board first just because the door opened.
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Old Nov 12, 22, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by plancast
I think AA is factoring in the method of obtaining status. I was not upgraded recently, but that was out of DFW where I was number 2 on the upgrade list. This leads me to believe there is some ranking beyond just pure loyalty points. My 2 cents.
i promise you, how you earned your status doesn't factor in
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Old Nov 14, 22, 1:05 am
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#6 on the upgrade list today DFW-HNL w/235,000 LP’s. 7 J and 5 PE seats disappeared at around 24-hours prior to departure.
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Old Nov 14, 22, 6:40 am
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Originally Posted by asnovici
I dont believe I witnessed any enforcement of group boarding by gate agents on AA in years. Its free for all and the real Group 1 has to fight to get even behind Group 9 folks who decide to board first just because the door opened.
And then you have the situation where those in Group 1 assume anyone else in line isn't. I had a couple practically knock me over last week (and the wife ran over my foot with her luggage) until I pointed out I was also in Group 1. Who stands up when boarding is not a reliable indicator of anything. It's a free for all and every man for himself, in my experience.
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Old Nov 14, 22, 11:19 am
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I was surprised recently to be #1 on the upgrade list as a Plat flying DFW-BUR. Even more surprised at how many people were in group 1 given I guess no one was EXP or PP, and that the person boarding in front of me was asked the emergency exit seat questions. But looking into the rules for group 1 and thinking about their appearance, I realized there's not necessarily anything nefarious going on. They probably had military ID. Maybe all the group 1 people boarding in Denver are in Space Force.
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Old Nov 14, 22, 11:31 am
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Are there really people who spend $200,000 a year on a credit card??
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Old Nov 14, 22, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingLaw
Are there really people who spend $200,000 a year on a credit card??
plenty - thats not a particularly high bar.
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Old Nov 14, 22, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingLaw
Are there really people who spend $200,000 a year on a credit card??
Sure, of course. Many spend far, far more than that, particularly on business cards (which AA offers) that they can run those expenses through.

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