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First Experience as EXP - AA is flooded with Elites

First Experience as EXP - AA is flooded with Elites

Old Nov 9, 22, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by bchandler02
So, you made EXP status by not flying, did it very easily, and you're surprised that they have so many elites? Um, ok....
If you read my past posts, only reason I really chased it was to be higher on the Alaska upgrade totem pole. I no longer fly trans con and getting 75K or 100K on Alaska was near impossible because they do not hand out points like candy. As an EXP on AA I get better treatment on AS than I would of as a MVP Gold. I actually much prefer AS as an airline and I am rather confident they will also come up with a similar points scheme.

To be honest, the more I get involved with these programs I am more and more looking at the route of being a free agent. I, like many others, hpay for upgrades about 50 - 60 percent of the time anyway. Alaska is very reasonable with their F fares, American not so much.

A recent change in my work might have me relocate to Utah, so maybe my AS status will be better served there as this market is pretty much owned by DL
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Old Nov 9, 22, 7:07 am
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I am flying DEN to LAS tomorrow via PHX. I took the in app offer weeks ago so this flight only curious how many are on the actual list. Alsp paying more attention to the group 1 boarding numbers.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 7:20 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVEL4SCUBA
If you read my past posts, only reason I really chased it was to be higher on the Alaska upgrade totem pole. I no longer fly trans con and getting 75K or 100K on Alaska was near impossible because they do not hand out points like candy. As an EXP on AA I get better treatment on AS than I would of as a MVP Gold. I actually much prefer AS as an airline and I am rather confident they will also come up with a similar points scheme.

To be honest, the more I get involved with these programs I am more and more looking at the route of being a free agent. I, like many others, hpay for upgrades about 50 - 60 percent of the time anyway. Alaska is very reasonable with their F fares, American not so much.

A recent change in my work might have me relocate to Utah, so maybe my AS status will be better served there as this market is pretty much owned by DL

But you did it on cc spend and that's what will drive a higher number of elites. If AA simply required $18K BIS spending the number of EXPs would thin after March 2023. But complimentary upgrades are likely going to go away anyway. There will be co-pays just like in essence there is now with the upgrade offers.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 7:28 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVEL4SCUBA
Hard to say, but I think the bar was simply set too low. I totally cheated the system and first one to admit, the bar is set too low. They need to revamp this or they are going to lose lucrative customers. I took one flight, several hotel stays and lots of credit card spend and hit EXP in essentially 8 weeks.
You can easily be earning much more cashback equivalent with your spend if you charge on Chase Reserve/AMEX Plat etc.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 8:09 am
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Originally Posted by TRAVEL4SCUBA
Simple if they stopped handing out points like candy, there would be less elites. Being an EXP should be a rather rare thing, really any top tier should be. I am Alaska 100K Gold, which I will lose this year and reason I chased status with AA, but the 100K gold is rather rare, its hard to hit. I have a 100 percent upgrade as a 100K and this includes routes SAN - JFK and SAN to LIH
EP isn't American's top tier.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 8:18 am
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as a long time EXP, when you actually had to BIS to earn EXP... I can tell you that AA is flooded with elites that dont even fly AA,
because AA has opted to go in this direction... buy..buy..buy and spend spend spend.. on everything but plane tickets..
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Old Nov 9, 22, 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by fotographer
as a long time EXP, when you actually had to BIS to earn EXP... I can tell you that AA is flooded with elites that dont even fly AA,
because AA has opted to go in this direction... buy..buy..buy and spend spend spend.. on everything but plane tickets..
If all of AA's elites never flew AA, upgrades would be easy, no?
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Old Nov 9, 22, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by footballfanatic
The upgrade list based on 12 month rolling LP takes care of this, right? Then the diluted EXP benefit becomes the things that dont affect anyone else no matter how many EXPs there are. I think the system works.
Yes, it is mostly just inflation of LPs....
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Old Nov 9, 22, 8:47 am
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Originally Posted by Herb687
If all of AA's elites never flew AA, upgrades would be easy, no?
Depends. The question is how many EXPs are mainly on cc spend. Yes maybe they only fly once a month but if there's enough of them then it impacts upgrades. I've seen post here of people with like 440K LPs. That would likely be due to heavy cc spend.

When you see upgrade lists of 25 or more people for a 738 clearly they're either flying again on heavy cc users.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 9:15 am
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U need to understand two issues.

1. You needed to call and have the status in all of ur PNRs to EP as u booked them when not EP. You will never know what your true position was or if you would have cleared. If you had any more PNRs booked when you werent EP, please call and update them!

2. the credit card warriors are greatly affecting the upgrade list. They dont travel much, but when they do, they generally are at the upper part of the list. I see from above that you are a lite flier and attained EP status only through cx spend.


but think u will find that #1 is your main issue



PNRs
Originally Posted by TRAVEL4SCUBA
17th on a waitlist when 6 were likely already upgraded is diluted. That is way too many elites. They should raise this to 300k LP
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Old Nov 9, 22, 10:07 am
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One way to reduce the flood of elites is to limit elite status to being only based on actual flight miles credited to AA accounts. But AA doesn't seem to care to go down the path, and so AA's frequent/big spender program flooding the market with AA elites will probably end up used by AA as an opportunity to eventually gut the program benefits for the majority of AA elites too.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
One way to reduce the flood of elites is to limit elite status to being only based on actual flight miles credited to AA accounts. But AA doesn't seem to care to go down the path, and so AA's frequent/big spender program flooding the market with AA elites will probably end up used by AA as an opportunity to eventually gut the program benefits for the majority of AA elites too.
Which as much as people here and netters claim otherwise, AA is a credit card prospecting firm that happens to fly planes as a way to source for potential new cc holders.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 10:24 am
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Originally Posted by 355F1
I am based in PHX and have never ever been #17 on any upgrade list.
I am based in Miami, this year my EXP upgrade success has been around 60-70%, however on a recent MIA-LGA I was around 12 or 13 on the upgrade list. It is a popular route, and the list was about 30 people long.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 10:25 am
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Originally Posted by afmiami
I am based in Miami, this year my EXP upgrade success has been around 60-70%, however on a recent MIA-LGA I was around 12 or 13 on the upgrade list. It is a popular route, and the list was about 30 people long.
I was #8 once on an award ticket PHX-LAX. That is the lowest I have ever been. On a paid ticket....I don't think I have have been lower than #5 or 6, and that was once between DFW-PHX.
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Old Nov 9, 22, 11:03 am
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This flood of elites is also taking all the BKK-PHL J award seats!!
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