Old Jul 24, 23, 4:53 am
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From AA's "Systemwide upgrades" page as of 24 July 2023 (edited to remove references to mileage upgrades, which are not the topic of this thread):

Enjoy a confirmed upgrade from most Business fares to First, from Premium Economy to Business, or from Economy to Premium Economy when flying transatlantic on British Airways.

Systemwide upgrades can be used for one-way travel for up to 3 flight segments on British Airways marketed and operated flights or British Airways operated flights marketed by American. At least one American marketed flight must be in the itinerary to be eligible.
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  1. Log in to aa.com and make sure you have systemwide upgrades available in your AAdvantage account.
  2. Call your AAdvantage status service desk to confirm your upgrade. If available, the required number of upgrades will be deducted from your balance.*
  3. If an upgrade isnt available at the time of booking, you can check back with us. There is no option to waitlist for an upgrade on British Airways flights.

*Systemwide upgrades are subject to upgrade seating availability.
From AA's "AAdvantage FAQs" page as of 24 July 2023 (edited to remove references to mileage upgrades, which are not the topic of this thread):

Upgrades on British Airways and Iberia
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  • Can I upgrade on British Airways and Iberia flights? Yes, systemwide upgrades can be used for one-way travel for up to three segments on British Airways marketed and operated flights or British Airways operated flights marketed by American.
  • Can I upgrade from a discount Main Cabin fare? Systemwide upgrades on British Airways are valid on all purchased, published fares.
  • Why is my upgrade on British Airways not valid from Economy to Business? Systemwide and mileage upgrades are valid for a one cabin upgrade. On British Airways flights that offer Premium Economy, upgrades from Economy will be to Premium Economy. On flights where British Airways doesnt offer Premium Economy, the upgrade will be to Business.
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Old Sep 3, 23, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by jordyn
How do you figure? The language you quoted says a flight can be booked through a travel agent and marketed/operated by BA, in which case there is no AA element.
It does state that the booking may be made through an authorised travel agency or AA. Booking directly with BA wouldn't meet that criterion. AA needs to be able to reisssue the ticket, which I don't believe it can for a booking with BA that is purely BA and sold by BA, It doesn;t have the same wording as partner award upgeades have admittedly

Admittedly there isn't much information in the question, so I am assuming that the query relates to such a booking
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Old Sep 5, 23, 8:12 pm
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Thank you, Dave Noble! Your advice is always spot on.
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Old Sep 8, 23, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
It does state that the booking may be made through an authorised travel agency or AA. Booking directly with BA wouldn't meet that criterion. AA needs to be able to reisssue the ticket, which I don't believe it can for a booking with BA that is purely BA and sold by BA, It doesn;t have the same wording as partner award upgeades have admittedly
What you're saying makes sense, but according to the terms and conditions I could go to Expedia, buy a pure BA itinerary and it should be eligible for a SWU upgrade. That booking doesn't have any more of a nexus to AA than a booking through BA does, so either the T&Cs you quoted are wrong or AA has some way to do it that doesn't require them to have a nexus with the ticket initially. As a parallel, DL can take control of KL or AF bookings and apply GUCs to them. In general it feels like AA and BA are less integrated than those partners, but there's certainly some precedent for these sorts of cross-airline capabilities.
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Old Sep 8, 23, 6:21 pm
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Originally Posted by jordyn
How do you figure? The language you quoted says a flight can be booked through a travel agent and marketed/operated by BA, in which case there is no AA element.
The language isn't exhaustive. On AA's website, it also says:

Systemwide upgrades can be used for one-way travel for up to 3 flight segments on British Airways marketed and operated flights or British Airways operated flights marketed by American. At least one American marketed flight must be in the itinerary to be eligible.
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Old Sep 9, 23, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
Booking directly with BA wouldn't meet that criterion. AA needs to be able to reisssue the ticket, which I don't believe it can for a booking with BA that is purely BA and sold by BA
The challenge is getting BA to sell a ticket with at least one segment marketed by AA (i.e., with at least one AA flight number). BA *can* sell this ticket, but their website (understandably) doesn't make this easy. An experienced agent could make this happen.
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Old Sep 9, 23, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by DMPHL
The language isn't exhaustive. On AA's website, it also says:

Systemwide upgrades can be used for one-way travel for up to 3 flight segments on British Airways marketed and operated flights or British Airways operated flights marketed by American. At least one American marketed flight must be in the itinerary to be eligible.
Thanks. That's much more helpful language to post than the original set of conditions since it makes it clear what the problem is.
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Old Sep 11, 23, 1:43 pm
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I did a search here, but am not finding the answer to this specific question, although I know it's in here somewhere

If I book an itinerary that has a BA-operated, but AA-marketed flight, am I still looking for U inventory to move from PE to Business? Or does the fact that it's AA-marketed mean that I'm looking for C. I see some flights on EF showing a lot of C, but not even showing U at all (not "U0", but no U listing) for the AA (BA) flights. I have a feeling that it's still U and I should look at BA flights directly, but wanted to check.

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Old Sep 11, 23, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by brp
I did a search here, but am not finding the answer to this specific question, although I know it's in here somewhere

If I book an itinerary that has a BA-operated, but AA-marketed flight, am I still looking for U inventory to move from PE to Business? Or does the fact that it's AA-marketed mean that I'm looking for C. I see some flights on EF showing a lot of C, but not even showing U at all (not "U0", but no U listing) for the AA (BA) flights. I have a feeling that it's still U and I should look at BA flights directly, but wanted to check.

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No, for any flights on BA metal (whether AA or BA marketed) you need award space (U) to upgrade with a SWU.

Seeing C space on BA metal flights is irrelevant when it comes to using a SWU.
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Old Sep 11, 23, 1:51 pm
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No, for any flights on BA metal (whether AA or BA marketed) you need award space (U) to upgrade with a SWU.

Seeing C space on BA metal flights is irrelevant when it comes to using a SWU.
Thanks. That's what I suspected. and EF no longer shows U, and the BA site is problematic, so harder to find this.

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Old Sep 12, 23, 12:22 am
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Originally Posted by brp
and EF no longer shows U, and the BA site is problematic, so harder to find this.
I've been using the AA site to search for BA award space. It's a pain having to log into the BA site just to do a search.
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Old Sep 25, 23, 5:39 pm
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I'm trying to use a SWU for the remaining segment of my 3-segment itinerary back (FAO-LGW/LHR-JFK-DCA). It's a BA marketed and operated (BA Euroflyer) flight from FAO-LGW. It's an intraEurope connecting to transatlantic, so seems to fit all the SWU rules. The other 2 segments that already cleared (LHR-JFK on BA and JFK-DCA on AA). BA released space today, and I see it as award space, so I called.

The agents cannot enter the systemwide because it says it's "not offered" on this segment. I've HUCA and got an agent to tell me that there are a few airports in Europe "with notes for them, and included next to FAO are parenthesis from LGW/LCY" and that's why it's ineligible. Anyone ever run into this or know what is included on this hidden list?

Tried one last time, and an agent explained that all BA EuroFlyer/CityFlyer are excluded. Bummer

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Old Oct 9, 23, 5:41 pm
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Has anyone successfully used an AA SWU on BA metal?

I booked an American flight to Europe about a month ago. The flight there is on BA metal. Ive been trying to use one of my system wide upgrades for that segment from premium economy to business. They cant waitlist so they recommended i call the exec desk every day, which I did. No availability. Just got to the airport and there are still a good number of business seats available, which they are trying to sell me for $1k. The BA desk seems to have no idea what an AA SWU is and American is still showing no availability.

Im wondering if this is the norm or if i just had bad luck on this leg. Seriously doubting flying BA metal again.
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Old Oct 9, 23, 5:49 pm
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You need to look on aa.com for BA J award inventory. If you find this, you can clear from PE to J. Keep in mind, you must have one AA marketed segment.

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Old Oct 9, 23, 6:05 pm
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Merged with existing thread discussing the mechanics of using an AA systemwide upgrade on BA flights. Thanks. /Moderator
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Just booked flights for Christmas family trip to LHR four cleared out and back!
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