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IADCAflyer Aug 27, 2022 3:27 pm

Im going to be the bad guy and say that this packing was wholly insufficient for what was expected. If you want to bring a tower or other sensitive electronics, you have a custom, hard sided case on hand with several layers of medium density foam that completely cradles the equipment and is moulded around the equipment to absorb shock.

A pair of socks, two tee shirts, and a pullover (and one very thin layer of bubble wrap) is wholly insufficient.

IADCAflyer Aug 27, 2022 3:29 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 34550411)
If properly packaged, there’s no concern. PC manufacturers ship their new assembled computers to millions of people every year and they’re subject to UPS/FedEx handling, including bumps, rattles, and drops. Things really don’t come loose. By far the most common damage is physical impact to the case.

True, but PCs are usually shipped on a shipping pallet with nothing but PCs of the same model and type - securely lashed, dunnaged, and packed. You don't have luggage being stuffed into, on top of, and around a pallet of PCs.

DataPlumber Aug 27, 2022 4:17 pm


Originally Posted by Sleepy_Sentry (Post 34550635)
This is just the glass side panel of the case that broke. A new case should be under $100.

Even vibrations could have caused this very thin glass to break. No one punched or mishandled OP’s bag.

AA doesn’t owe anything here. The PC is not ruined, either.

I was thinking the same and agree with others that it was likely not packed well.

Antarius Aug 27, 2022 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by IADCAflyer (Post 34550653)
True, but PCs are usually shipped on a shipping pallet with nothing but PCs of the same model and type - securely lashed, dunnaged, and packed. You don't have luggage being stuffed into, on top of, and around a pallet of PCs.

That's to a distributor or in bulk. Desktops are shipped individually by UPS, FedEx all the time.

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javabytes Aug 27, 2022 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by FlyFreakquently (Post 34550449)
This is how it was packed before everything happened. Obviously, this is all irrelevant but I think I packed it pretty well?
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...534c7cba2.jpeg

Nowhere close to sufficient. The computer goes all the way to at least 3 different sides of the suitcase. A few thin layers of bubble wrap won’t protect it much.

BlooJoo Aug 27, 2022 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 34550814)
Nowhere close to sufficient. The computer goes all the way to at least 3 different sides of the suitcase. A few thin layers of bubble wrap won’t protect it much.

Exactly! Think how a computer is packed when it's shipped! In a box, with protection at least as large, or larger, than the computer itself. To wrap it in a few layers of bubbles and call it a day is asking for trouble. Zero fault of AA, zero recourse, zero liability on their part.

theshaun Aug 27, 2022 5:27 pm

That picture of the 737 hold takes me back many years to when I was a ramp agent. My back and shoulders ache looking at it! Incase you didn't know or were wondering, it's all done while shuffling around on your knees. Even for a shorty like me, it's not standing room.

Op, sorry this happened, but that glass panel was doomed unless you got lucky with your bag being on top.

sdsearch Aug 27, 2022 5:29 pm

My company ships samples of the electronic equipment we make, and we generally don't ship it in hard plastic, but what we do use is cardboard cartons with interlocking cardboard dividers such that the equipment goes in the middle-most section, and there are air gaps between EVERY side of the cardboard dividers that hold the equipment and the outside carton cardboard. Ie, on no side does the equipment make contact with the outside carton or anything close to that; there is an air gap on every side. Plus we wrap sensitive surfaces (like the glass surface that broke in this case) in bubblewrap on top of that.

But most people are not going to find that kind of shipping material in their house. You presumably have to go to a shipping supplies place to find something like that, and find a size that works with the piece of equipment you're trying to ship. (In our company's case, we've designed these shipping containers and their internal interlocking cardboard dividers to match the equipment we typically ship.)

Antarius Aug 27, 2022 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by Bowgie (Post 34550371)
Up-thread, Antarius says he transported a PC with him (presumably as carry-on). I'd say he was somewhat lucky and/or had the ability to re-seat the cards and what-not that easily shake loose.

I've not experienced this issue. It's possible that something comes loose, but desktops are shipped daily to businesses and homes. Power cables are secure, PCIe shouldn't come out as the gfx card is secured to the case.


Originally Posted by Bowgie (Post 34550371)
This is going to sound snooty. There are precious few PC assemblers who are competent enough to secure the internal components for delivery to a retail store or to a home for the retail mass-market. I've assembled PC's for my households' use since home PC's were invented. It's a skill just like car re-building or being a mechanic. Most people are not going to learn it because most people have better things to do. This is my personal opinion and take-away: Do not buy a PC (aka a windows box) unless you have the skill to assemble it from components. All others, just get a laptop, gaming device, or anything made by Apple.

IMO, it's not nearly as complex as being a mechanic. I was the IT repair guy for my dad's company as a kid - if a 7 year old can figure out how to change a motherboard, it can't be that bad.

Now, there are far more complex builds and cooling types that need some skill, but I'd take my chances on that over trying to rebuild a car transmission any day.

Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 34550907)
Some people try to keep the original packaging material to use later if the equipment must be moved or shipped. OP might have been able to check in such a box with AA, but it would obviously count as an additional checked bag (subject to size and weight limits) unless OP used the box instead of the suitcase and had all of the clothing etc. in a carry on piece.

Yup. The original packaging is designed exactly for this and works really well. After experimenting with a few hard cases for conference equipment like TVs, I gave up and now just ship it in the original box with the original foam and packaging.​​​​​​

Collierkr Aug 27, 2022 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by FlyFreakquently (Post 34550406)
I appreciate all the responses, and in retrospect it was likely not the best idea to transport the PC in a check bag. I knew the risks and that the baggage handlers are total barbarians when it comes to caring for luggage, but I figured I packed it securely enough to mitigate any damage.

In case anyone is wondering, this is what my PC looks like now.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...56028a440.jpeg

sorry but that bubble wrap won’t do crap. And checking a pic tower in anything other than its original box is not very wise.

nall Aug 27, 2022 7:04 pm

Is that glass? You would need pretty significant packing material around it if so.

Sorry dude.

rkaradi Aug 27, 2022 8:31 pm

We ship TVs to tradeshows in pelicans every month and use loads of foam to protect them. Every 3rd trip we end up with a busted TV. Usually it’s the components not the screen. So sadly a computer in a suitcase with little protection has less a shot then we do. Sorry OP for your destroyed computer….

Antarius Aug 27, 2022 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by rkaradi (Post 34551175)
We ship TVs to tradeshows in pelicans every month and use loads of foam to protect them. Every 3rd trip we end up with a busted TV. Usually it’s the components not the screen. So sadly a computer in a suitcase with little protection has less a shot then we do. Sorry OP for your destroyed computer….

Just use the box you bought it in. Learned it the hard way.

I've got a TV that can make platinum every year.

HWGeeks Aug 27, 2022 10:31 pm

If you call bubble wrap, packing securely, you have a lot to learn.

Red L Aug 27, 2022 10:38 pm

Anyone remember the Compaq computers in the mid-80s with the keyboard that clipped onto one end, and then the whole thing could be carried like a suitcase (it even had a suitcase handle)? Those things were indestructible. It was called “portable” in all of the Compaq marketing. Like everyone else, I called mine “luggable” - it weighed almost 30 pounds.

I had to take one on business trips periodically and (seriously) I would just wrap tape around it so the keyboard wouldn’t get lost, and check it. No outside container and no padding whatsoever.

It flew tens of thousands of miles with me, and always got some interesting looks as it slid down the belt onto the baggage claim carousel.


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