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Old Jul 12, 2022, 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by zkzkz
Well... while I sympathise with the sentiment this isn't actually as great an example as you think. Despite what your high school teacher (and SAT training) may have taught you this use of "less" is very old and has as solid a claim to being grammatical as "fewer". There are examples of the most respected authors using both words in this usage going back as far as written contemporary English. The rule that one is for count nouns and one for noncount nouns came much later and seems to have been entirely invented (well, all language is invented but in this case invented by prescriptive language style guidebooks). There is a phenomenon where when two equivalent words seem to have no distinction between them people will feel compelled to invent a rule to distinguish them because it seems like there ought to be a distinction.
From the Oxford Dictionary of English

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In standard English less should only be used with uncountable things (less money, less time). With countable things it is incorrect to use less (less people and less words); strictly speaking, correct use is fewer people and fewer words.
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Old Jul 12, 2022, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Noble
From the Oxford Dictionary of English

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In standard English less should only be used with uncountable things (less money, less time). With countable things it is incorrect to use less (less people and less words); strictly speaking, correct use is fewer people and fewer words.
Obviously "fewer money" isn't right. But money is countable. There are some gray areas, but "12 items or less" isn't one of them.
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Old Jul 12, 2022, 10:40 pm
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Complementary Upgrade is complementing you for giving AA business. When a casino 'comps' a room or meal, that complements the recipient's excessive gambling losses to make them feel like they're getting a good deal. When a hotel offers a complementary shuttle, they are also complementing you for giving them business.
I don't think "comps" comes from the root word "complement" it comes form "complimentary".
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I find the use of the word “deplane” far more offensive. If you don’t “plane” when you’re boarding you sure as hell aren’t “deplaning” when you disembark.
And also the use of the word "debark" instead of "disembark".
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​​​The first is the preferred American spelling; the second is the preferred British spelling. As already noted, both are acceptable (though not in the same document!). Ditto for travel, level, etc., and forms of similar verbs. I'm American but I prefer the British spelling.

This pattern isn't followed for verbs when the stress falls on the final syllable, such as concealed.
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Old Jul 12, 2022, 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by zkzkz
Well... while I sympathise with the sentiment this isn't actually as great an example as you think. Despite what your high school teacher (and SAT training) may have taught you this use of "less" is very old and has as solid a claim to being grammatical as "fewer". There are examples of the most respected authors using both words in this usage going back as far as written contemporary English. The rule that one is for count nouns and one for noncount nouns came much later and seems to have been entirely invented (well, all language is invented but in this case invented by prescriptive language style guidebooks). There is a phenomenon where when two equivalent words seem to have no distinction between them people will feel compelled to invent a rule to distinguish them because it seems like there ought to be a distinction.
What is this phenomenon called? I just learned something new!

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As long as we're complaining about language pet peeves, I'd like to just point out that when people use "gift" as a verb I want to scream. I don't recall ever even hearing it used this way until the early 2000s, and now it seems to have entirely replaced the word "give." I will die on this hill.
What about game-changer? I don't remember seeing this term being used while growing up. Then all of a sudden I see this being used endlessly over the past decade.

Originally Posted by Giggleswick
​​​The first is the preferred American spelling; the second is the preferred British spelling. As already noted, both are acceptable (though not in the same document!). Ditto for travel, level, etc., and forms of similar verbs. I'm American but I prefer the British spelling.

This pattern isn't followed for verbs when the stress falls on the final syllable, such as concealed.
Pedantic mode off.
Consistency is the most important part. None of my profs ever cared whether we used American or British spelling. Just keep it consistent. Just like in Chinese, don't mix simplified and traditional Chinese. Consistency, consistency, consistency!!!

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Old Jul 13, 2022, 12:57 am
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Originally Posted by Aliquot
Obviously "fewer money" isn't right. But money is countable. There are some gray areas, but "12 items or less" isn't one of them.
"Money" is not countable in this sense. "Dollar" is countable.

You might have 100 dollars, but not 100 moneys.
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 1:01 am
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Same here...but the email today had the different, incorrectly spelled header. See below
Ha! They changed it because they got rid of the stickers.
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 1:14 am
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Isn't it possible that someone was being too clever and thought of the companion upgrade as a complement to your own complimentary upgrade?
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Originally Posted by Giggleswick
​​​The first is the preferred American spelling; the second is the preferred British spelling. As already noted, both are acceptable (though not in the same document!). Ditto for travel, level, etc., and forms of similar verbs. I'm American but I prefer the British spelling.

This pattern isn't followed for verbs when the stress falls on the final syllable, such as concealed.
Pedantic mode off.
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 1:34 am
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Originally Posted by M60_to_LGA
As long as we're complaining about language pet peeves, I'd like to just point out that when people use "gift" as a verb I want to scream. I don't recall ever even hearing it used this way until the early 2000s, and now it seems to have entirely replaced the word "give." I will die on this hill.
How about "action" as a verb? As in, "Please action this request by Thursday." Also, the word "actionable." I see both of these all the time recently.
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
"Money" is not countable in this sense. "Dollar" is countable.

You might have 100 dollars, but not 100 moneys.
X costs less than 100 dollars.
X costs fewer than 100 dollars.

I choose less. I believe less/fewer is a matter of style rather than rule. Fewer clearly looks awkward in some settings (see above), but less is generally acceptable in all cases.
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 1:43 am
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Originally Posted by tjcxx
X costs less than 100 dollars.
X costs fewer than 100 dollars.

I choose less. I believe less/fewer is a matter of style rather than rule. Fewer clearly looks awkward in some settings (see above), but less is generally acceptable in all cases.
Also just look at social media and how celebrities talk. Spelling and grammar doesn't even matter in the internet era anymore.
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 2:13 am
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
"Money" is not countable in this sense. "Dollar" is countable.

You might have 100 dollars, but not 100 moneys.
Indeed - Money is a mass noun whilst Dollar is a count noun
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Old Jul 13, 2022, 2:48 am
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I would never ever complain/care about the exact proper wording in any email that is telling me I've been upgraded.
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