Strategy for flexible return from Europe on paid J
One way J tickets to Europe are about as much as round trip. I'd like to purchase RT, get there, and then change my return for when I feel like coming back.
How will my return fare be calculated? Would it be half of the RT pricing at that moment or would it be the one-way pricing? Should I book the original return far in the future and then move it up? Booking it sooner and then canceling for fight credit seems like a bad idea because I'd be just purchasing a one-way ticket for the return. Miles one way tickets don't seem to have the same annoying pricing as paid but I don't want to use miles. |
If you are booking a ticket in J, then I would be very surprised if there was any issue changing to any date that you want; just phone and make the change
If you are not buying J, but another discounted class, then it all depends on the fare rules; looking at the lowest NYC-LON fares of AA, date and time changes seem to be free. You would of course need availability in the booking class or there would be more to pay; looking at the fare rules, I cannot see that you would be able to cancel for credit anyway If you actually wamt a one way ticket, I would suggest picking another airline. TP, for example, has a one way fare from New York to London for $1111 and Icelandair at $1457 and SQ at $2022 You can then buy a r/t ticket when you want to return from $2300 or a one way for $1500. |
Thanks Dave Noble. I'll be booking discount J. As an example I started booking a $5k INX8C8S3 RT fare in August. Then I searched EF for I class availability on the same return itin starting a few days from now and see reasonable options with I class availability.
Do you believe I'd be able to switch to one of those flights for no cost if I were there now on this INX8C8S3 fare booked ticket? Just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly as I may be confusing fare class with booking class. |
Do you really want to spend $5000 when you can get options for half that price?
Not sure on dates and route you are looking at, but AA's I class fares ex USA to Europe seem to allow free changes, so you can change the return to your heart's content. There is the issue that there has to be I availability on the flight you wish to change to, otherwise you will be looking at several hundred dollars in fare difference Obviously you do need to meet any minimum stay requirement |
Originally Posted by rayfes
(Post 34357099)
As an example I started booking a $5k INX8C8S3 RT fare in August. Then I searched EF for I class availability on the same return itin starting a few days from now and see reasonable options with I class availability.
Do you believe I'd be able to switch to one of those flights for no cost if I were there now on this INX8C8S3 fare booked ticket? Just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly as I may be confusing fare class with booking class. |
Originally Posted by NYC Flyer
(Post 34357293)
Return flights can often be changed using historical fare rules, so you should have more flexibility in terms of changing the return date. That said, there may be one-way private or consolidator options on AA for much less than $5,000 o/w depending your your departure city.
The advance purchase requirements is encoded in 4th letter of fare basis code on international fares. The '8' in fourth letter of INX8C8S3 means this fare has a 28-day advance purchase requirement. 9 = 90, 6=60, 5=50, 8=28, 4=14, 7=7. There would have likely been cheaper 50-day or 60-day advance purchase fares available if booked a few weeks ago (it is now too late to qualify for them for flights in earlier August). There are also cheaper seasonal fares for departures in September and beyond. |
Originally Posted by xliioper
(Post 34357391)
But this fare rule only applies if changing the return after departure.
One strategy is to book the latest (or nearly latest) possible return date valid for the desired fare and change it as return plans firm up. |
Originally Posted by NYC Flyer
(Post 34357489)
I presumed this would not be a problem given the OP was initially searching for one-way fares, but your assessment is certainly more complete.
One strategy is to book the latest (or nearly latest) possible return date valid for the desired fare and change it as return plans firm up. |
Originally Posted by xliioper
(Post 34357628)
Note that it's still possible to book a return for later August and qualify for 50-day or 60-day advance purchase fares (even if outbound flight only qualifies for a 28-day advance purchase fare). However, if you attempt to change return date after departure to be less than 50 days out from original booking date, you would only qualify for the pricier 28-day advance purchase fares. Also, if you book a return in September on a cheaper seasonal fare that requires September travel or later and want to change it to an August return, you will also get bumped to a higher priced non-seasonal fare.
And what if your new itinerary breaks the fare rules? Is it repriced using current fares or fares at the time you booked? |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34358190)
So, in general, is the answer that for changes after departure, if your new flight falls within your existing fare rules and has the correct inventory, you are fine?
And what if your new itinerary breaks the fare rules? Is it repriced using current fares or fares at the time you booked? |
Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 34358190)
So, in general, is the answer that for changes after departure, if your new flight falls within your existing fare rules and has the correct inventory, you are fine?
And what if your new itinerary breaks the fare rules? Is it repriced using current fares or fares at the time you booked? |
Thank you for the thoughtful replies! Specifically I'm looking for AUS-MUC leaving in the next month or 2 and returning before it gets cold. Cursory search of google flights showed $5k RT on AA throughout the summer. I have had good experiences with short haul TP and am open to non-AA carriers. If a much cheaper lie flat J option exists I'll take it.
To summarize the findings here, I need to follow the fare rules for the original ticket which means making sure I meet any advance purchase and day of the week reqs for example. If I change the return after the outbound, the advanced purchase req may be 50 or 60 days. I'll also need to make sure there is fare class availability as well. Meeting those reqs should result in a free-of-charge return flt change. I have no doubt I'll need to call in to change the return. Thanks again! |
Based on what you're trying to do, I think the two biggest issues you will face are (1) day of week of travel, and (2) inventory availability. Obviously read the fare rules to know what days your return fare is valid on, and then keep the revised return date on one of those valid days. That said, changing from, say, a Mon-Thurs fare to a Fri-Sun fare usually isn't more than a couple hundred $ (in business). Inventory availability will be a crapshoot, sometimes they can be very stingy on "I" inventory. Flying an O/D pair with lots of flight and routing options obviously helps, I'm not sure how many choices you'll have for AUS-MUC (only via LHR?) unless you're okay with two stops.
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Originally Posted by rayfes
(Post 34361592)
Thank you for the thoughtful replies! Specifically I'm looking for AUS-MUC leaving in the next month or 2 and returning before it gets cold. Cursory search of google flights showed $5k RT on AA throughout the summer. I have had good experiences with short haul TP and am open to non-AA carriers. If a much cheaper lie flat J option exists I'll take it.
To summarize the findings here, I need to follow the fare rules for the original ticket which means making sure I meet any advance purchase and day of the week reqs for example. If I change the return after the outbound, the advanced purchase req may be 50 or 60 days. I'll also need to make sure there is fare class availability as well. Meeting those reqs should result in a free-of-charge return flt change. I have no doubt I'll need to call in to change the return. Thanks again! |
Here is a starting point...I took out all the airports with recliner seats in J, capped it at $1500 one-way, but you may have to start in a different city, like JFK. There are some angle flats there with Condor, too. Probably TAP is your best option for $1100, JFK-LGW or get off at LIS....Or Condor to Germany for the same price but with angle flats...
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