Award upgrades and carrier-imposed fees
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Award upgrades and carrier-imposed fees
I'll be travelling ORD-PRG in August, and I'm trying to figure out if an upgrade will be at all feasible, or if I should just go ahead and book premium economy with cash (I don't have a lot of miles and it's questionable if I'd get the 50k required for the upgrade in time anyway).
The fine print under the upgrade award chart says this: "Upgrading from Economy Class to Business Class or First Class results in additional premium cabin taxes and carrier-imposed fees, including but not limited to flights originating in Great Britain and France."
Are Great Britain and France special, or will I have to pay the difference in carrier-imposed fees regardless of where I connect? Can I calculate what that will cost by taking the difference of the copays for an award ticket (example in the screenshot $1577 - $587 = $990)? If so, unless there are any tricks I haven't considered, I'll stop worrying about the upgrade and probably just book premium economy.
Okay so apparently I can't post a screenshot with a new account, but hopefully I've described it well enough.
The fine print under the upgrade award chart says this: "Upgrading from Economy Class to Business Class or First Class results in additional premium cabin taxes and carrier-imposed fees, including but not limited to flights originating in Great Britain and France."
Are Great Britain and France special, or will I have to pay the difference in carrier-imposed fees regardless of where I connect? Can I calculate what that will cost by taking the difference of the copays for an award ticket (example in the screenshot $1577 - $587 = $990)? If so, unless there are any tricks I haven't considered, I'll stop worrying about the upgrade and probably just book premium economy.
Okay so apparently I can't post a screenshot with a new account, but hopefully I've described it well enough.
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uiucengineer Welcome to FT
UK & France have high departure taxes. UK (for most, but not airports) has a class of travel based departure tax (APD). For UK this is not payable for transits or arrivals.
An AA award on BA has carrier-imposed fees.
If you 100% want a better seat pay for it up front. Upgrades are not guaranteed. Very likley will be more pax wanting than upgrade seats. Having high AA status can help you on the upgrade list.
I'll be travelling ORD-PRG in August, and I'm trying to figure out if an upgrade will be at all feasible, or if I should just go ahead and book premium economy with cash (I don't have a lot of miles and it's questionable if I'd get the 50k required for the upgrade in time anyway).
The fine print under the upgrade award chart says this: "Upgrading from Economy Class to Business Class or First Class results in additional premium cabin taxes and carrier-imposed fees, including but not limited to flights originating in Great Britain and France."
Are Great Britain and France special, or will I have to pay the difference in carrier-imposed fees regardless of where I connect? Can I calculate what that will cost by taking the difference of the copays for an award ticket (example in the screenshot $1577 - $587 = $990)? If so, unless there are any tricks I haven't considered, I'll stop worrying about the upgrade and probably just book premium economy.
Okay so apparently I can't post a screenshot with a new account, but hopefully I've described it well enough.
The fine print under the upgrade award chart says this: "Upgrading from Economy Class to Business Class or First Class results in additional premium cabin taxes and carrier-imposed fees, including but not limited to flights originating in Great Britain and France."
Are Great Britain and France special, or will I have to pay the difference in carrier-imposed fees regardless of where I connect? Can I calculate what that will cost by taking the difference of the copays for an award ticket (example in the screenshot $1577 - $587 = $990)? If so, unless there are any tricks I haven't considered, I'll stop worrying about the upgrade and probably just book premium economy.
Okay so apparently I can't post a screenshot with a new account, but hopefully I've described it well enough.
An AA award on BA has carrier-imposed fees.
If you 100% want a better seat pay for it up front. Upgrades are not guaranteed. Very likley will be more pax wanting than upgrade seats. Having high AA status can help you on the upgrade list.
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uiucengineer Welcome to FT
UK & France have high departure taxes. UK (for most, but not airports) has a class of travel based departure tax (APD). For UK this is not payable for transits or arrivals.
An AA award on BA has carrier-imposed fees.
If you 100% want a better seat pay for it up front. Upgrades are not guaranteed. Very likley will be more pax wanting than upgrade seats. Having high AA status can help you on the upgrade list.
UK & France have high departure taxes. UK (for most, but not airports) has a class of travel based departure tax (APD). For UK this is not payable for transits or arrivals.
An AA award on BA has carrier-imposed fees.
If you 100% want a better seat pay for it up front. Upgrades are not guaranteed. Very likley will be more pax wanting than upgrade seats. Having high AA status can help you on the upgrade list.
I'll have platinum status in a couple weeks, which I know isn't great.
If I was going to try for the upgrade, based on my searching, the only way to get a reasonable fare on AA metal would be to book the transatlantic portion separate from the flight into PRG, which seems like a hassle and risky. I'm guessing the answer is 'no', but are there any tricks to make that less of a hassle or less risky?
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....the only way to get a reasonable fare on AA metal would be to book the transatlantic portion separate from the flight into PRG, which seems like a hassle and risky. I'm guessing the answer is 'no', but are there any tricks to make that less of a hassle or less risky?
EU is not large. PRG is not far from MUC by train.
For me would be booking in 1 ticket. All about risk vs spending another $100, $250 what ever
An old thread. Routes will be out of date. (open the wiki)--->Where exactly does AA fly to Europe? Which routes have good business seats?
A map from Great Circle Mapper
Edit
AA Cargo can give an indication of routes. But need to check which are cargo only and cargo/pax flights
https://www.aacargo.com/ship/schedules.html
e.g.
Download February map
U.S. Outbound pdf
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Jan 26, 2022 at 6:54 pm
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In these times and possibly in August 2022, booking separate tickets and doing a self connection has risks, including late flights, schedule changes and possibly CV19/immigration issues.
EU is not large. PRG is not far from MUC by train.
For me would be booking in 1 ticket. All about risk vs spending another $100, $250 what ever
An old thread. Routes will be out of date. (open the wiki)
EU is not large. PRG is not far from MUC by train.
For me would be booking in 1 ticket. All about risk vs spending another $100, $250 what ever
An old thread. Routes will be out of date. (open the wiki)
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It looks like MUC through AA is the move, thanks for suggesting it. Comparable price to what I'm seeing through BA to PRG, for a bit more I can actually fly out of my home CMI, and the train ride might actually be pretty cool.
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In these times and possibly in August 2022, booking separate tickets and doing a self connection has risks, including late flights, schedule changes and possibly CV19/immigration issues.
EU is not large. PRG is not far from MUC by train.
For me would be booking in 1 ticket. All about risk vs spending another $100, $250 what ever
An old thread. Routes will be out of date. (open the wiki)--->Where exactly does AA fly to Europe? Which routes have good business seats?
A map from Great Circle Mapper
Edit
AA Cargo can give an indication of routes. But need to check which are cargo only and cargo/pax flights
https://www.aacargo.com/ship/schedules.html
e.g.
Download February map
U.S. Outbound pdf
EU is not large. PRG is not far from MUC by train.
For me would be booking in 1 ticket. All about risk vs spending another $100, $250 what ever
An old thread. Routes will be out of date. (open the wiki)--->Where exactly does AA fly to Europe? Which routes have good business seats?
A map from Great Circle Mapper
Edit
AA Cargo can give an indication of routes. But need to check which are cargo only and cargo/pax flights
https://www.aacargo.com/ship/schedules.html
e.g.
Download February map
U.S. Outbound pdf
#9
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I'm leaning heavily toward MUC for several reasons:
- It's the only destination in Europe I've seen so far that I can book premium economy through AA for ~$2K
- I'll get a day in Munich!
- For only a little more I can fly out of my home town CMI instead of driving to ORD, which is amazing. Departing CMI will actually pay for itself in parking fees! CMI-ORD-CLT-MUC will be a little crazy but it's worth it, I can't stress enough how much I Iove CMI!
- The outbound train will be a little shorter as I'm actually headed for Klatovy. There is actually a direct Munich-Prague which I'll probably use for the return after spending a day in Prague.
- The train ride might actually be kinda cool
- The way the flight times work out I leave earlier and return later and I don't think I actually lose much time at destinations to the train.
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I'm leaning heavily toward MUC for several reasons:
- It's the only destination in Europe I've seen so far that I can book premium economy through AA for ~$2K
- I'll get a day in Munich!
- For only a little more I can fly out of my home town CMI instead of driving to ORD, which is amazing. Departing CMI will actually pay for itself in parking fees! CMI-ORD-CLT-MUC will be a little crazy but it's worth it, I can't stress enough how much I Iove CMI!
- The outbound train will be a little shorter as I'm actually headed for Klatovy. There is actually a direct Munich-Prague which I'll probably use for the return after spending a day in Prague.
- The train ride might actually be kinda cool
- The way the flight times work out I leave earlier and return later and I don't think I actually lose much time at destinations to the train.
"CMI-ORD-CLT-MUC will be a little crazy" No, This is FT. More ff miles - more status earning
A map from Great Circle Mapper
MUC PRG LKKT-->http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=MUC%0D%...+&MS=wls&DU=mi
Train MUC to LKKT?
Last edited by Mwenenzi; Jan 27, 2022 at 11:49 pm Reason: added (UK)
#11
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How do I figure out what the loyalty points and award miles and does it depend who you book with, who operates the flight, or both (I understand how to figure it for AA on AA)? I'll have platinum and I'll be booking premium economy.
If I book with BA do I lose the ability to request 500 mile upgrades on any US connections? (not that it's really important, I just want to understand the differences).
I guess I would lose the double award miles from my credit card
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I'm leaning heavily toward MUC for several reasons:
- It's the only destination in Europe I've seen so far that I can book premium economy through AA for ~$2K
- I'll get a day in Munich!
- For only a little more I can fly out of my home town CMI instead of driving to ORD, which is amazing. Departing CMI will actually pay for itself in parking fees! CMI-ORD-CLT-MUC will be a little crazy but it's worth it, I can't stress enough how much I Iove CMI!
- The outbound train will be a little shorter as I'm actually headed for Klatovy. There is actually a direct Munich-Prague which I'll probably use for the return after spending a day in Prague.
- The train ride might actually be kinda cool
- The way the flight times work out I leave earlier and return later and I don't think I actually lose much time at destinations to the train.
Spending even a day in Munich makes this option more attractive.
Last edited by JPG3392; Jan 29, 2022 at 1:52 pm Reason: Corrected minor error and typo.