How many would choose AA voluntarily if the circumstances were different?
#61
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Independent! But mostly BKK, BCN, SFO, PDX, SEA...
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Posts: 1,060
Don’t sweat none of these ratchet airlines, chief. Fly the one that gets you there the fastest, offers the best times, for the cheapest price, that allows for the changes you need in your current situation, with a big seat, preferably lie flat. Loyalty is all the way played out, just like these lounges.
#62
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: LAX
Programs: AA Gold (prev. Ex Plat for 10 years); DL Plat; UA Gold; Hilton Diamond
Posts: 2,338
All good points.
The BXP1 instrument, which seems sometimes like a special secret, is an amazing tool -- upgrade at ticketing on any segment in G fare class or above. I am EXP and use it liberally whenever alerted that C inventory has dropped to 1 seat. Combined with my 80%+ e500 upgrade rate on the remaining (wide-open) flights, AA basically flies me in domestic F all year long. The Admirals Club for me and my four Citi cardholders is icing on the cake.
Take a look at the UA and DL boards. Their top-tier flyers are not upgraded nearly as much as we are at AA.
The BXP1 instrument, which seems sometimes like a special secret, is an amazing tool -- upgrade at ticketing on any segment in G fare class or above. I am EXP and use it liberally whenever alerted that C inventory has dropped to 1 seat. Combined with my 80%+ e500 upgrade rate on the remaining (wide-open) flights, AA basically flies me in domestic F all year long. The Admirals Club for me and my four Citi cardholders is icing on the cake.
Take a look at the UA and DL boards. Their top-tier flyers are not upgraded nearly as much as we are at AA.
#63
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Brooklyn
Programs: Bolt Bus Rewards
Posts: 1,283
I live approximately equidistant from all 3 NYC airports so I pretty much have the run of the major airlines. I also haven't qualified for any meaningful status since MQD's came along so upgrades, lounges, PDB's and any seat other than economy have little bearing on my choice.
In general, I've become agnostic so it's all up to schedule and price.
That said, If schedule, price and duration were all equal:
International
1) Most international carriers
2) Most domestic carriers
Domestic:
1) B6
2) WN --really
3) AS
4) DL
5) Tie AA, UA
7) any ULCC
In general, I've become agnostic so it's all up to schedule and price.
That said, If schedule, price and duration were all equal:
International
1) Most international carriers
2) Most domestic carriers
Domestic:
1) B6
2) WN --really
3) AS
4) DL
5) Tie AA, UA
7) any ULCC
#64
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 1,880
1) Most Asian/ME carriers
2) All other carriers
European carriers have perhaps slightly better F&B offerings than U.S. carriers on average, but with the privatisation of many flagship carriers and the rise of European ULCCs, many European carriers have outdated hard products and are plagued by labor issues. Most South American carriers don't have enough business / luxury travel to justify much investment in their onboard product/service. It's really just Middle East and APAC carriers that have superior products/onboard service.
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#66
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Join Date: Sep 2009
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I'd edit this slightly to say:
1) Most Asian/ME carriers
2) All other carriers
European carriers have perhaps slightly better F&B offerings than U.S. carriers on average, but with the privatisation of many flagship carriers and the rise of European ULCCs, many European carriers have outdated hard products and are plagued by labor issues. Most South American carriers don't have enough business / luxury travel to justify much investment in their onboard product/service. It's really just Middle East and APAC carriers that have superior products/onboard service.
1) Most Asian/ME carriers
2) All other carriers
European carriers have perhaps slightly better F&B offerings than U.S. carriers on average, but with the privatisation of many flagship carriers and the rise of European ULCCs, many European carriers have outdated hard products and are plagued by labor issues. Most South American carriers don't have enough business / luxury travel to justify much investment in their onboard product/service. It's really just Middle East and APAC carriers that have superior products/onboard service.
#67
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: CoUniHound 1K 1MM, AA EXP 2MM, DL Plat, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 1,625
I've been a CO/UA sorta top tier elite since 1995, CO Gold in the bronze/silver/gold age then CO Plat then UA 1K. I've been an AA EXP since 2005. I've earned both each year because it was easy enough given my travel patterns. With the transition to spend based vs mileage based thresholds, that's becoming less so, so 2022 may be the last year I requalify for this level on both carriers. My observation and advice to the OP is things run in cycles. For a few years CO or UA provided the better experience, then AA, then back again. Luckily both carriers haven't experienced an extended period of operational incompetence at the same time. Overall, there's very little to differentiate the carriers that much these days. The upgrade situation is bad on both airlines. The award situation is bad on both airlines. Right now, UA employee morale and customer service is somewhat better, but it wasn't a few years ago and who knows what it will be a few years from now.
#68
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: ATL/TLV/SDF
Programs: AA EXP, UA LT Ag, Marriott LT Ti, Hyatt Glob, Avis PC, Busted-Knuckles Club Grand Poobah.
Posts: 2,590
As a new EXP I've been upgraded 100%, so far.
I don't see EXP happening again under the new LP system... I won't throw that much personal spend on a CC and I have to use a corporate Amex for everything on a work trip. We'll see how it goes once it starts.
My few flights on DL have been fine, but back of bus.
#69
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Roswell, GA
Programs: AA EXP 2.8m,Lifetime PLT, Hilton Diamond, IHG PlLT, SPG Gold
Posts: 3,191
Same. I would never make more than maybe gold on DL because almost all N. American destinations are non-stops. I have made Plat on AA solely on segments since about 2015, then this year my travel exploded and I made EXP on segments -- though I would have made it on miles a little later, and probably would be stuck at PPro under the non-pandemic qualification targets.
As a new EXP I've been upgraded 100%, so far.
I don't see EXP happening again under the new LP system... I won't throw that much personal spend on a CC and I have to use a corporate Amex for everything on a work trip. We'll see how it goes once it starts.
My few flights on DL have been fine, but back of bus.
As a new EXP I've been upgraded 100%, so far.
I don't see EXP happening again under the new LP system... I won't throw that much personal spend on a CC and I have to use a corporate Amex for everything on a work trip. We'll see how it goes once it starts.
My few flights on DL have been fine, but back of bus.
#70
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: DCA
Programs: UA LT 1K, AA EXP, Bonvoy LT Titan, Avis PC, Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,658
LP miles earn = what you currently earn for RDM.
ie for EXP on a $100 ticket value - you earn 11 x 100 = 1100 miles - before RDM and now in LP.
For non-elites it is 5x. and number in between for other Elite levels. Nothing changes
The difference is you now need to earn 200,000 LP points;
And going forward, no EQDs, and EQM don't count.
If currently EXP - spend $18,200 and you will get EXP. Spend more if not EXP.
Spend $0 on tickets - but lots on CC and coupons offers - get EXP.
Coupons:
1. Get an AA Credit card
2. Join eshopping
3. Join edining
4. Join Simplymiles
5. Join fuelrewards
6. Sign up for text alerts on all of the above
Example on eshopping. Macys sometimes alerts a 12x earnings day
So spend $100 at Macy's - get 12x = 1,200 points. That gives you more LP points than what $100 ticket gives an EXP in the new system (1,100).
Spend the cheapest you can on AA ticket and use that extra money to buy stuff at retailers.
Last edited by cova; Dec 14, 2021 at 8:06 am
#71
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: TPA/DFW/K15
Programs: AA EXP, Mar AMB, HH LT DIA
Posts: 1,649
Maybe, maybe if I moved to Guam, I would fly UA.
This year I split my flights between DL and AA. I had terrible luck with AA this year, so much so, on average, it was quicker to fly DFW-ATL-TPA on DL than direct with AA. I like the SkyClub better than Admirals Club.
This year I split my flights between DL and AA. I had terrible luck with AA this year, so much so, on average, it was quicker to fly DFW-ATL-TPA on DL than direct with AA. I like the SkyClub better than Admirals Club.
#72
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: CMH
Programs: Delta SkyMiles (Silver), AAdvantage, Sun Country, FmrUS Airways Dividend Miles, Northwest WorldPerks
Posts: 353
There's talk of CMH getting a common use lounge which would be open to all airlines' passengers.
#73
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Programs: American Executive Platinum
Posts: 368
The new LP system isn't that hard to understand. You need to get in the coupon mode if you want to maximize LP points earning.
LP miles earn = what you currently earn for RDM.
ie for EXP on a $100 ticket value - you earn 11 x 100 = 1100 miles - before RDM and now in LP.
For non-elites it is 5x. and number in between for other Elite levels. Nothing changes
The difference is you now need to earn 200,000 LP points;
And going forward, no EQDs, and EQM don't count.
If currently EXP - spend $18,200 and you will get EXP. Spend more if not EXP.
Spend $0 on tickets - but lots on CC and coupons offers - get EXP.
Coupons:
1. Get an AA Credit card
2. Join eshopping
3. Join edining
4. Join Simplymiles
5. Join fuelrewards
6. Sign up for text alerts on all of the above
Example on eshopping. Macys sometimes alerts a 12x earnings day
So spend $100 at Macy's - get 12x = 1,200 points. That gives you more LP points than what $100 ticket gives an EXP in the new system (1,100).
Spend the cheapest you can on AA ticket and use that extra money to buy stuff at retailers.
LP miles earn = what you currently earn for RDM.
ie for EXP on a $100 ticket value - you earn 11 x 100 = 1100 miles - before RDM and now in LP.
For non-elites it is 5x. and number in between for other Elite levels. Nothing changes
The difference is you now need to earn 200,000 LP points;
And going forward, no EQDs, and EQM don't count.
If currently EXP - spend $18,200 and you will get EXP. Spend more if not EXP.
Spend $0 on tickets - but lots on CC and coupons offers - get EXP.
Coupons:
1. Get an AA Credit card
2. Join eshopping
3. Join edining
4. Join Simplymiles
5. Join fuelrewards
6. Sign up for text alerts on all of the above
Example on eshopping. Macys sometimes alerts a 12x earnings day
So spend $100 at Macy's - get 12x = 1,200 points. That gives you more LP points than what $100 ticket gives an EXP in the new system (1,100).
Spend the cheapest you can on AA ticket and use that extra money to buy stuff at retailers.
#74
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 23,037
In addition to PBI, DL has Sky Clubs in MKE, MEM, ANC (just added this summer) which are all smaller than PBI. MEM is actually the smallest airport with a club in terms of enplanements as holdover from it's NW hub days.
#75
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: CMH, West Coast
Programs: AA Executive Platinum, oneworld emerald
Posts: 2,741
That's odd, as the lounge would have to be landside to accommodate it. There are three different concourses, each for DL/AS/Misc., AA, and WN, each with its own security. It would be annoying to not have it after security