Assault on Crew
Oct 28, 2021, 2:36 pm
#31
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Under the Cone of Silence
Programs: UA Gold; AA Dirt; HH Diamond; National Emerald; CONTROL SecretAgent Platinum; KAOS EvilFlyer Gold
Posts: 1,498
According to this CNN report, the passenger went looking for the FA to the back of the plane and punched her twice.
Oct 28, 2021, 3:09 pm
#32
Join Date: Dec 2012
Programs: AA Plat Pro
Posts: 909
The problem is the lack of ability to enjoy drinks reasonably on board, as we have done for many years prior to late 2020. The alternative now is to load up at the bar on the ground and then board. I bet most people would take it alot easier on the ground at the bar if they knew they could have a beer or two once on board.. but.. nope!
Oct 28, 2021, 3:10 pm
#33
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2004
Location: DFW/DAL
Programs: AA Lifetime PLT, AS MVPG, HH Diamond, NCL Platinum Plus, MSC Diamond
Posts: 21,422
Oct 28, 2021, 3:35 pm
#34
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: CLT
Programs: AA, Amex
Posts: 415
According to this CNN report, the passenger went looking for the FA to the back of the plane and punched her twice.
Oct 28, 2021, 3:53 pm
#36
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2006
Programs: AAdvantage PP
Posts: 13,913
How about the airlines, the FAA and the Courts start going for material felon penalties. Maybe if these disgusting cretins spend a couple years in jail the "word would get around." And birds of a feather flock together. But I forgot it's no longer in vogue to care about the victim, just the poor downtrodden criminal.
Oct 28, 2021, 4:29 pm
#37
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: where the chile is hot
Programs: AA,RR,NW,Delta ,UA,CO
Posts: 41,638
eta: Seeing some more early posts makes me wonder if the difference between checkpoint behavior and terminal/onboard behavior is the access to alcohol post-checkpoint.
Oct 28, 2021, 4:48 pm
#38
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AS 75K; UA 1MM; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott LTP; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 56,418
Here's part of the problem:
The guy should have been arrested immediately. Why on earth would they let him walk away following such a clearly felonious assault? It seems like a big part of the problem here is that law enforcement is not reacting appropriately to these incidents.
No, the problem is people drinking too much, period.
The guy that caused this latest incident was flying premium cabin, so you can't blame his misbehavior on the Y alcohol ban.
Dude next to me in F on PHX-SFO last week put away three minis and two beers on a 1:30 flight. He could barely walk getting off the plane.
The FBI said it is investigating the incident. The agency said no arrests have been made and its investigation is ongoing.
The problem is the lack of ability to enjoy drinks reasonably on board, as we have done for many years prior to late 2020. The alternative now is to load up at the bar on the ground and then board. I bet most people would take it alot easier on the ground at the bar if they knew they could have a beer or two once on board.. but.. nope!
The guy that caused this latest incident was flying premium cabin, so you can't blame his misbehavior on the Y alcohol ban.
Dude next to me in F on PHX-SFO last week put away three minis and two beers on a 1:30 flight. He could barely walk getting off the plane.
Oct 28, 2021, 4:53 pm
#39
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: New York, New York
Programs: AA Gold, Alaska MVP; Free Agent Super Duper Diamond Treasure Chest ;)
Posts: 4,682
Oct 28, 2021, 5:05 pm
#40
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MCO
Programs: Hilton Diamond, AA PP
Posts: 541
No doubt, I agree, the ACAA (Air Carrier Access Act) has a special set of regulations surrounding those traveling with disabilities as well. Having been on both sides of this, answering ADA complaints at an airline and having filed one, I can tell you, even a lawsuit isn't an easy win. Just providing my personal experience. There are sometimes civil penalties that do get imposed though.
I understand your concern and I mean no offense, but just being pulled aside and asked if you are fit to fly based on the fact that you exhibit some like behaviors isn’t going to win you a settlement. It’s well within the carriers right, as well as a regulation, that a carrier verifies that a customer is fit to fly if they exhibit signs that they might not be. I wasn’t attempting to pull this thread OT. Just stating that if that passenger was boarded already intoxicated, AA could be culpable. In your case, it’s possible that you could be asked a couple of questions, but If staff is trained properly in ID’ing potential issues, you shouldn’t even know that they have observed you. Passenger gate observation and investigation is no different than announcements and enforcement of airport or inflight mask wearing. Cheers.
My comment about a lawsuit was meant if they ask me asinine questions or pry into my medical condition (a BLATANT ADA violation). In that case I would most likely be caused to miss my flight, and at that point, you betcha I'd have a cause of action against them.
Oct 28, 2021, 5:07 pm
#41
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: MCO
Programs: Hilton Diamond, AA PP
Posts: 541
Victim reparations can be part of a criminal sentencing. A victim can be a corporation as much as it can be a person.
He was in either F or J. So maybe yes, maybe no.
He was in either F or J. So maybe yes, maybe no.
Last edited by Microwave; Oct 29, 2021 at 10:54 am Reason: Merged consecutive posts for readability
Oct 28, 2021, 5:26 pm
#43
Join Date: Nov 2019
Programs: Delta Gold, United Gold, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 74
Oh. I haven't seen the video, didn't know that the person in the peach-colored top was the attacker's traveling companion, I thought it was just some random passenger that sat near him.
Funny how one news station reports that AA said it was mask-related, while another reports that AA says it WASN'T mask-related. Guess it's still early to have all the facts sorted out.
(updated- CBS in LA reporting this morning that AA is again saying they believe this was NOT mask-related)
And I guess I'm assuming all the pax had to deplane in DEN in order for Ms. Rose to take that photo of the attacker.
Funny how one news station reports that AA said it was mask-related, while another reports that AA says it WASN'T mask-related. Guess it's still early to have all the facts sorted out.
(updated- CBS in LA reporting this morning that AA is again saying they believe this was NOT mask-related)
And I guess I'm assuming all the pax had to deplane in DEN in order for Ms. Rose to take that photo of the attacker.
Assuming they run minimum staffing on this flight, getting the injured FA off would put them below the minimum crew requirement to have passengers on board.
Oct 28, 2021, 5:41 pm
#44
Join Date: Apr 2009
Programs: American EXP; British Airways Gold
Posts: 1,896