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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Old May 26, 2022, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
The day I accept a barclay's card application on board is the day I will have lost my mind.
You don't have to accept it on board. There are other ways to apply.
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Old May 26, 2022, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
I am considering buying a house with my citi.
Is that one of those tiny houses?
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Old May 26, 2022, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by sxpsxpsxp
Is that one of those tiny houses?
Yes but it's on boardwalk.
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Old May 26, 2022, 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
I didn't realize I get two extra loyalty points on top of eleven if I buy an AA ticket on my citi executive. The only reason I have that card is for a reduced AC annual membership.
Nono. Card gets you 2x RDMs on AA purchases, only one of which is an LP.
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Old May 26, 2022, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by murphy
I don’t know how to MS virtual gift cards, but I buy them with an AA credit card to earn 1000 LP per $250, and then use them to pay utilities, insurance, or make online purchases that would normally be unbonused. They are also good for Amazon spend, which would normally earn 5 cents cashback from me. For now I’d rather have the points, at some point I may decide I have enough and switch back to cashback.

Unfortunately they can’t be used for recurring purchases on Chewy, so I can’t use them for my crazy-expensive cat food. And if you can’t split a charge the $250 max can be a pain. But in general it’s a free way to generate excess LPs. 4 LP per $ is better for me than the 2 MR per $ I normally earn on unbonused spend. It’s worse than a good signup bonus though, so I try to balance it.
I can certainly understand not wanting to MS. When I was doing it seriously, it was like a regular part-time job, about 15 hours a week, although I did make about $100K over 3 years so it was worth it.

The problem with your method is losing the basic benefits from the bills you pay (not bonus categories but even a basic 2% CB) and having to track card balances and liquidate cards with small amounts.

One of the better suggestions I've seen is to buy AA gift cards with the eGC's. Of course then you lose the bonus points from the card you could otherwise use, which if an Amex Plat could be considerable.

My MS methods depend either on minor subtrefuge (buying MO's at a grocery store in a way that doesn't make them suspicious) or having a very friendly Walmart nearby.

If you have a minimum spend for a SUB, you can use the affected card to buy GC's. I just did that; I had to spend $10K in 3 months and probably half of that was CG purchases.
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Old May 26, 2022, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by redtop43
The problem with your method is losing the basic benefits from the bills you pay (not bonus categories but even a basic 2% CB) and having to track card balances and liquidate cards with small amounts.
If you value 2% CB over 1 LP & RDM you can just use the CB card to buy the GC. You get the portal miles and the giftcards.com site credit; the card you use for unbonused spend is an independent decision.

As for liqiidating small amounts, not letting them TOO small and then dumping into store gift cards is a good method. Target has a $5 minimum and can be bought for any amount, not limited to whole dollar amounts (so if you have $5.16 left on a card you can buy a $5.16 Target GC online and attach it to your account). I'm not sure what the Amazon minimum is; I usually use Target since I spend enough at Target that I know I'll use it, but not so much that it's worthwhile for me to get the red card (and so my target spend is unbonused)
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Old May 26, 2022, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
If you value 2% CB over 1 LP & RDM you can just use the CB card to buy the GC. You get the portal miles and the giftcards.com site credit; the card you use for unbonused spend is an independent decision.

As for liqiidating small amounts, not letting them TOO small and then dumping into store gift cards is a good method. Target has a $5 minimum and can be bought for any amount, not limited to whole dollar amounts (so if you have $5.16 left on a card you can buy a $5.16 Target GC online and attach it to your account). I'm not sure what the Amazon minimum is; I usually use Target since I spend enough at Target that I know I'll use it, but not so much that it's worthwhile for me to get the red card (and so my target spend is unbonused)
Amazon doesn't have a minimum that I've seen. I've reloaded my balance with a few dollars here and there that were left over from GCs.
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Old May 26, 2022, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by sxpsxpsxp
Amazon doesn't have a minimum that I've seen. I've reloaded my balance with a few dollars here and there that were left over from GCs.
In my experience, Amazon Reload is the best way to liquidate small balances on GCs with no fee. The minimum is $0.50. Yes, I tried to add a card with a $0.26 balance and spent 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back trying to make it work.
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Old May 26, 2022, 4:17 pm
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I just hit Platinum on AA (with spend on my Citi Exec card, where I have shifted most of our bills and spending to). We have flown one RT on AA this year, with two more scheduled. It's becoming our airline of choice, because we now live in AA territory, but it's funny how the change to LP made it possible to hit Platinum before doing much flying at all.
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Old May 26, 2022, 5:00 pm
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Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
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Old May 26, 2022, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
If you could figure out RDM last year your can figure out LP this year.
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Old May 26, 2022, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
I don't think anyone other than AA's PR department would call it "easier."

Harvard has been described as a hedge fund with a university attached. AA can be descrbed at this point as a credit card company with an airline subsidiary.
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Old May 26, 2022, 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by redtop43
I don't think anyone other than AA's PR department would call it "easier."
Seriously? It's so much easier. No EQD. No "EQM or EQS". Just a single metric that can be earned multiple different ways. I'm not sure how it could possibly be any simpler.
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Old May 26, 2022, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by njvandy
In my experience, Amazon Reload is the best way to liquidate small balances on GCs with no fee. The minimum is $0.50. Yes, I tried to add a card with a $0.26 balance and spent 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back trying to make it work.
Many bill options have that, too. Phone bills, cable/internet, electric, Starbucks, Uber, etc. Just load up your account funds for future payments....
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Old May 27, 2022, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
Seriously? It's so much easier. No EQD. No "EQM or EQS". Just a single metric that can be earned multiple different ways. I'm not sure how it could possibly be any simpler.
then I’m just stupid then.
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