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Old Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       40K
Platinum:   75K
Plat Pro:  125K
EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.











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Old Jan 23, 2022, 10:00 am
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Originally Posted by sexykitten7
I'm guessing that means you tried and failed? Me too. Apparently vanguard doesn't allow linking during business hours?!? Anywho, don't think it will "Analyze" wo/an acct. Will try to link tonight and f/u in am.
As an aside, boy is this fun! I now have the Shopping and SM sites and the ledgers for both bookmarked/barred. Have these deals always existed? Previously I've only done a handful a year (barron, wsj, eharmony, etc.) Bc I wouldn't mind doing this just for RDM since the price is right at <1 cpm.
I was able to get the Blooom offer pretty easily. Went through the link and went as far as I could without paying anything yesterday. Now the miles are pending in my eshopping account.

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Old Jan 23, 2022, 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by vasantn
Not really. You could get the 20K LPs from a hotel booking and choose a different Elite Reward.

What I'm getting at is that it's no great loss compared to 10K EQM which you didn't have a multiplicity of ways to earn.
I guess it depends on your travel patterns but as someone who travels mostly for leisure with a flexible schedule (and therefore usually travels on cheap fares) I always thought that bonus EQM were kind of worthless without the EQD to back them up.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by chrisny2
My Verizon shopping trip is tracked, with an order number, but it says the purchase is $0.00 and no miles are on the "recent transactions" page - so hopefully they will eventually show up! (My Blooom also says $0.00, but those 1200 miles have appeared.)
Similar experience here with Verizon. Purchased the evening of Jan 21 - a day later the transaction showed in the portal under recent store visits with an order number, $0.00, and no miles yet. Hoping that the miles show up in a day or two. (And my 1200 Bloom miles appeared in a similar manner.)
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by cova
I have my Wyndham account set to earn AA miles instead of Wyndham points. Has been set this way for a long time since I do not stay enough at Wyndham to be worth earning Wyndham points - which expire.

A stay in Dec shows:
WYNDHAM HOTELS AND RESORTS -- -- -- 359 -- 359

The 359 being base miles. No reason to think this is changing.
Originally Posted by 236Dakota
Mine posted as bonus miles
And it's possible AA changed it since the posting in December that was base miles. Wyndham is not one of the specifically included partners, but if the miles post as bonus, then that excludes them anyway even if they were on the list.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by 14thStreet
Similar experience here with Verizon. Purchased the evening of Jan 21 - a day later the transaction showed in the portal under recent store visits with an order number, $0.00, and no miles yet. Hoping that the miles show up in a day or two. (And my 1200 Bloom miles appeared in a similar manner.)
For Blooom (3 o's, in case anyone cares), did you actually link your investment accounts?

I opened an account and entered income / goals / etc. I've gotten as far as the point where it wants you to give them access to your accounts, which I'm not doing. It's not showing up as a purchase for me, so I guess I didn't go far enough.

I would be a bit careful linking accounts. You are giving them access to buy and sell things for you (that's the whole point of the service; they automatically change your portfolio to meet your retirement goals). I'm sure that they don't actually do anything until you pay them and agree to something but even giving them the access makes me nervous. Definitely not worth the risk for 1200 miles IMO.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 11:36 am
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I linked my Vangard account for the activiation to get a green check mark, and then delete from Blooom shortly after; you can take this a step forward and change your brokers password too on their end to ensure no more access going forward.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
For Blooom (3 o's, in case anyone cares), did you actually link your investment accounts?
I did link an account, but one that requires a username and password every time you access it (be it directly on the investment website or from a third-party app or site - a setting I have for this account)
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Raralith
I linked my Vangard account for the activiation to get a green check mark, and then delete from Blooom shortly after; you can take this a step forward and change your brokers password too on their end to ensure no more access going forward.
Yup - that's what I did. Deleted and changed the password after the miles showed up.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
I guess it depends on your travel patterns but as someone who travels mostly for leisure with a flexible schedule (and therefore usually travels on cheap fares) I always thought that bonus EQM were kind of worthless without the EQD to back them up.
Good point. It's how cheap mileage runs lost their allure because you couldn't get commensurate EQDs.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 1:35 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
Good point. It's how cheap mileage runs lost their allure because you couldn't get commensurate EQDs.
But now, they are back to being useful and important, but for segment count this time. I am currently finishing a dirt cheap one involving 4 segments for a little over $100 thanks to Breeze being in the route (typing from the CLT Centurion Lounge). This is our second for a total of 8 segments, as we will get to ExPlat quite easy via spend and stays at Hotels for work with RocketMiles (I get to pick where to book them). We do fly quite often on leisure routes, and specially Europe will come in handy with the EVIPs. So bye bye UA and 1K (will keep flying them quite often until making it to ExPlat this year, and until the Plus Points are completely gone).

So I am actually exited again, now that AA made it fun. We flew out this morning via PHL with breakfast and mimosas at the CL and now at CLT with lunch and whiskey rocks while waiting for the last leg of the trip. Not bad for an uneventful Sunday
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
I guess it depends on your travel patterns but as someone who travels mostly for leisure with a flexible schedule (and therefore usually travels on cheap fares) I always thought that bonus EQM were kind of worthless without the EQD to back them up.
Yup. But if they had continues this with LP, then it would have counted fully. Since they will no longer be an option from 2022 onward, it is a moot point, of course.

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Old Jan 23, 2022, 9:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Beckles
And it's possible AA changed it since the posting in December that was base miles. Wyndham is not one of the specifically included partners, but if the miles post as bonus, then that excludes them anyway even if they were on the list.
Mine was booked on the Wyndham website and my profile is set to earn AA miles instead of Wyndham points.

The one with bonus miles - was it booked at wyndham.com. Mine was actually booked from Ramada.com which I think just switches over.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
So far I expect to have about 76K LPs and 76K RDMs (all non-flying) for a net cost of under $1,200. If they turn out to be only RDMs, that's a cost of 1.6¢ each. A bit more than I'd pay but not exactly flushing money down the drain. And if I get the LPs on top of that, it's a home run.
That's quite impressive. And since they will be going to a "rolling 12-month LP" calculation for upgrade priority in March, you should be at the front of the cue. Even more so after June, when the bonus EQDs they handed out last year go away. And given that they are posting to your account as "base miles", they should all post as LPs. You have a strong case with AA if they don't.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
That's quite impressive. And since they will be going to a "rolling 12-month LP" calculation for upgrade priority in March, you should be at the front of the cue. Even more so after June, when the bonus EQDs they handed out last year go away. And given that they are posting to your account as "base miles", they should all post as LPs. You have a strong case with AA if they don't.
Thanks, I sure hope so. I hadn't even thought about the bolded part but that will be a nice benefit! If AA decides this new scheme is too generous (and I don't think they will), any change will probably made prospectively and not retroactively.
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Old Jan 23, 2022, 11:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
Even more so after June, when the bonus EQDs they handed out last year go away.
Or after August, if one happened to wait until just before the registration deadline to pick up the extra EQDs.
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