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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
The 120% is bonus miles, not Loyalty Points, according to the linked website. With flying only you'd need to spend $40,000 to earn EXP status the way I interpret this. If you only want to earn EXP by flying, it's a lot harder now it seems, it's as if it's more profitable for them to award AAdvantage miles and Loyalty Points for activities other than flying.
Is that $40,000 the price of the full ticket or with taxes and fees reduced meaning that you may have to spend $60k depending on taxes and fees?
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
The 120% is bonus miles, not Loyalty Points, according to the linked website. With flying only you'd need to spend $40,000 to earn EXP status the way I interpret this. If you only want to earn EXP by flying, it's a lot harder now it seems, it's as if it's more profitable for them to award AAdvantage miles and Loyalty Points for activities other than flying.
Nope, you're not reading it right. Check the calculator on the page if you don't believe me.
In the air: All base miles earned from flying on Loyalty Point-qualifying airlines (flights marketed by American Airlines, oneworld airlines, and JetBlue). This includes:
  • Basic Economy tickets on American
  • All status bonuses earned when flying on American Airlines and eligible partner airlines
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by Adelphos View Post
Am I reading this correctly - there is no longer a bonus mileage / loyalty point bonus for paid first class?
From a quick read, it seems like Business/First bonuses are gone past 2021 qualification. Partner flights will still be based on miles. But that's as far as new Program release goes --- at least on my very quick first read through.

We all breath a collective sigh of relief Partner miles aren't devalued. However isn't that only an assumption because the update is silent on Award Charts? Not sure anything in today's announcement actually precludes waking up tomorrow to Partner award devaluations, either earning or spending.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
But then you'll have all those people who spend $200k but don't actually fly stealing upgrades.
Is this a serious remark? Someone who is not flying (regardless of what status they hold) is not "stealing" upgrades...
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:52 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
It's as if AAdvantage members who don't actually fly but earn lots of miles are more profitable than those that do fly the airline a bunch.
AAdvantage members who don't fly a lot don't consume as many benefits, compete for upgrades, etc. So the comparison is more complex than a cursory analysis would suggest. The fact that the loyalty benefits don't kick in until you get 30 segments also shows that AA sees additional value in those who actually fly instead of just churning spend on credit cards.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George View Post
Clearly AA values credit card holders over people that actually fly their airline week in and week out. $40K to make EXP without cc spend is a tough nut to crack. I guess by 2023 I'll have to hope that MCE is now providing free alcohol (although I doubt). Might be time to finally think about DL after my AC membership ends.
It's not $40k, it's $18k if you are EXP now
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:53 am
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my lifetime plat status saves the day. if they don't award loyalty points on anything multiplied 2x on first class or biz class tix, i'd never even requalify for plat again under the new chart
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by olouie View Post
I think only base point per dollar counts on AA cards even if the category has a bonus.
Oh, I misread the FAQ as "which miles count" instead of "which miles don't count". Oh well, was a nice thought.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:56 am
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Hellllllo, Alaska!

Initial take I think its crazy to think you could qualify for Plat Pro or EXP and still not earn SWUs. I've qualified for EXP with much less than 30 total segments.

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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:56 am
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I Haven't flown AA in forever but this seems like overall a positive change that I really hope DL/UA will follow in some respect. UA of course eliminated the concept of EQM all together a few years back. Mileage runs will matter again.

However, the concept of qualifying dollars going away would be great if the industry follows this. Also a good way to encourage people using their co-branded credit cards. Wise business decision considering so many miles are earned off the ground now, and that business travel still isn't where it needs to be.

What are the negatives to this change overall? Perhaps a devaluation in the earning requirements compared to the EQM only days. But in those days, bonus RDM didn't count and now they do
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:59 am
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Originally Posted by MIDWESTERNFLYER View Post
Similar boat, I am going to qualify for EXP this year, but under these changes I'll be Gold in future years.
Curious how that is possible? You're making the $15k EQD threshold for EXP, but don't think you'll spend enough to get 75k loyalty points? Doesn't seem possible.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:01 am
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Angry Definitely will lose a status level by 2023. Awesome change.

Did a quick check on the future status calculator at AA's website (under the loyalty program news link). I do a lot of multi-leg domestic trips through hubs. Looks like without CC spend/other spend AA has tidily booted me back from Platinum to Gold. In a huge way. I'm assuming they'll honor Platinum in 2022 but then I'm tossed. On top of all the other abuse this year I am seriously wondering if a concerted effort to switch to United might be worth it. Really feel valued by you, American! Not. : (
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:01 am
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Maybe AA made a mistake, but I do not see any exclusion for miles earned from deposits at Bask Bank!

"Which AAdvantage miles do not count toward earning Loyalty Points?

Bonus miles earned from special promotions


Miles from Buy, Gift, Transfer transactions

Government taxes, fees, and other charges associated with buying a ticket do not count toward earning AAdvantage miles and do not count toward earning Loyalty Points

Conversion of another program currency to AAdvantage miles

For AAdvantage credit cards, accelerators or multipliers such as: extra miles for purchases in specific categories, with specific merchants (such as American Airlines purchases) or purchases made abroad

AAdvantage credit cards new account or welcome bonuses, spend bonuses, etc."
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by demkr View Post
Mileage runs will matter again.
I assume you mean "Mileage runs will never matter again." ? If so, good riddance. I always found the idea of flying the longest circuitous route to a destination only to turn around and come back to be a waste of time, resources, and bad for the environment.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 9:02 am
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Makes it pretty difficult for anyone without access to an AA credit card to get there I think.

If I'm reading it right BIS spend for entry level GL is doubled ($6k spend @ 5 LPs vs $3k EQD now).
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