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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:39 am
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I look forward to getting back into the M$ game come January!

Happy that there was no devAAluation...yet
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:40 am
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Originally Posted by ORDflyer92 View Post
That still won't get you very far as you can't get Platinum Pro or above without 30 segments under these new rules.
I don't think this is true. I read it as you can still get the status without flying any segments, you just don't get the bonus gifts at 125k, 200k, etc.

Now why anyone would spend that much on an AA credit card when they don't fly that much is a whole 'nother debate.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
200000 / (5 + 5*1.2)

At least this is true for current EXPs. It's harder if you have lower status to start with.
The 120% is bonus miles, not Loyalty Points, according to the linked website. With flying only you'd need to spend $40,000 to earn EXP status the way I interpret this. If you only want to earn EXP by flying, it's a lot harder now it seems, it's as if it's more profitable for them to award AAdvantage miles and Loyalty Points for activities other than flying.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
I don't think this is true. I read it as you can still get the status without flying any segments, you just don't get the bonus gifts at 125k, 200k, etc.

Now why anyone would spend that much on an AA credit card when they don't fly that much is a whole 'nother debate.
That's how i read it.

As far as the second part .. I use it because I can stack up points for "splurge" business class international award trips that i can't justify the dollar cost on.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by Mr. BoH View Post
I don't think this is true. I read it as you can still get the status without flying any segments, you just don't get the bonus gifts at 125k, 200k, etc.

Now why anyone would spend that much on an AA credit card when they don't fly that much is a whole 'nother debate.
$200,000 is super easy spend for businesses. Probably better return on other CC but I could see some business owners just doing this if it was easy enough.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by olouie View Post
$200,000 is super easy spend for businesses. Probably better return on other CC but I could see some business owners just doing this if it was easy enough.
But then you'll have all those people who spend $200k but don't actually fly stealing upgrades.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:45 am
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Anyone have any thoughts on what happens to those who are earning Platinum/Platinum Pro via recent Status challenge promotions? Status if achieved, are supposed to be valid until Jan 2023.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
The 120% is bonus miles, not Loyalty Points, according to the linked website. With flying only you'd need to spend $40,000 to earn EXP status the way I interpret this. If you only want to earn EXP by flying, it's a lot harder now it seems, it's as if it's more profitable for them to award AAdvantage miles and Loyalty Points for activities other than flying.
Clearly AA values credit card holders over people that actually fly their airline week in and week out. $40K to make EXP without cc spend is a tough nut to crack. I guess by 2023 I'll have to hope that MCE is now providing free alcohol (although I doubt). Might be time to finally think about DL after my AC membership ends.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by jackjennings View Post
Can't see this as anything but a negative change, as someone who earns only based on flying. Previously I had about $12,000 in organic spend and would usually spend an extra $3000 to guarantee EXP for the year. But now I'll drop down to Platinum with that spending? No thanks. Unfortunately, it seems next year will be my last flying AA.
Similar boat, I am going to qualify for EXP this year, but under these changes I'll be Gold in future years.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:48 am
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Edit:
Nevermind! I misread it, and the "bonus" miles don't count.

Wow, every mile you earn counts. So if using the Aviator Silver to buy a $500 flight as an EXP, you get:
5,000 loyalty points for the flight (assuming fare is $454 and the rest is taxes)
1,500 loyalty points from Barclay's (3x miles/$ spent on AA purchases)

And a $250 stay at a hotel earns you 500 loyalty points (2x from Barclay's). I can see hitting 200k loyalty points won't be too hard (if you put most of your travel spend on an AA card).

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But then you'll have all those people who spend $200k but don't actually fly stealing upgrades.
Yes under this program they are more important to AA than flyers.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by MiamiAirport Formerly NY George View Post
Clearly AA values credit card holders over people that actually fly their airline week in and week out. $40K to make EXP without cc spend is a tough nut to crack. I guess by 2023 I'll have to hope that MCE is now providing free alcohol (although I doubt). Might be time to finally think about DL after my AC membership ends.
But they don't want you only flying AA, they want you paying for all your travel (not just the airline tickets) on the AA credit card and earning AA miles for your car rentals and shopping with AA partners, and really, not that FT'ers would do this usually, earning AA miles for hotel stays instead of those hotel points.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:49 am
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Guessing Delta and United will have their mileage program elite quals copied off this by tomorrow.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:49 am
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Originally Posted by Beckles View Post
But then you'll have all those people who spend $200k but don't actually fly stealing upgrades.
Sounds like that's a great thing for people that fly a lot.
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Old Oct 26, 21, 8:50 am
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Originally Posted by upinsmoke View Post
Wow, every mile you earn counts. So if using the Aviator Silver to buy a $500 flight as an EXP, you get:
5,000 loyalty points for the flight (assuming fare is $454 and the rest is taxes)
1,500 loyalty points from Barclay's (3x miles/$ spent on AA purchases)

And a $250 stay at a hotel earns you 500 loyalty points (2x from Barclay's). I can see hitting 200k loyalty points won't be too hard.
I think only base point per dollar counts on AA cards even if the category has a bonus.
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