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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Nov 19, 22, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by vasantn View Post
There are many of us who used to get EXP on the basis of maybe 3-4 ULH RTs (6-8 segments) in premium cabins (e.g., 32K EQMs for a RT to HKG).
Not quite that extreme, but totally agreed. I'm at 217K loyalty points based almost exclusively on flying, but am only at 23 segments so far (and several of those are award redemptions). Not sure why AA has built a program that punishes me for buying expensive tickets with them. I guess I'll have to redeem some more miles to actually get the Choice Rewards.
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Old Nov 19, 22, 10:16 am
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Originally Posted by nk15 View Post
A mix of buying gift cards at 3x/$ and a few imaginary hotels nights should do it for no more than half that budget.
through..rocketmiles?
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Old Nov 19, 22, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Soccerjoshj07 View Post
through..rocketmiles?
rocketmiles or bookaahotels, which I prefer. Look for hotel nights around $20 a night (Bali) and add the two mile boosters for $50 each (used to be &40, they may come back down). So it should be between $105-130 for each 4500 miles per night. My lowest was $101 for 4500 miles, but probably hard to find now. Book 1 or 2 night stays at a time, to be safer. Obviously the more miles you get through gift cards the cheaper. It occasionally hits 4x miles/$ for a day, there is a chance it may happen in Nov, but no guarantees (it happened once in May for a day).

there is no monthly limit on gift cards now, so if you buy $17k in gift cards you can get it for .8 cents per mile (which will be $400) or, if combined with a discount code you may actually make a profit of a few hundred dollars while acquiring 50k LPs/ rdms, but you have to do it carefully and probably one card at a time (study the Cartera forum).

however $17k in gift cards is a lot, so maybe do half and half, $9k in giftcards and the rest in hotel nights.
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Old Nov 19, 22, 5:47 pm
  #3784  
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
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Confirming Hotel LP earnings

Is there some way for me to confirm that my booking will earn LPs and how many? Below is an example of the page I got to through aa.com, then Plan Travel and then hotels and entered location and dates.

Like in the screenshot my booking had 11,000 base miles showing with the AAdvantage symbol beside it. When I look now at the same dates and hotel as my booking that is no longer on that hotel. Does the base miles reduce or go away as the hotel is nearing selling out? And can I assume I'll earn LPs for this reservation then having the AA symbol and showing base miles?

If the property cost is say $3000 for the stay and shows the 11K base miles then what is the earning in LPs for the stay?
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Old Nov 19, 22, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Jonesdds View Post
Is there some way for me to confirm that my booking will earn LPs and how many? Below is an example of the page I got to through aa.com, then Plan Travel and then hotels and entered location and dates.

Like in the screenshot my booking had 11,000 base miles showing with the AAdvantage symbol beside it. When I look now at the same dates and hotel as my booking that is no longer on that hotel. Does the base miles reduce or go away as the hotel is nearing selling out? And can I assume I'll earn LPs for this reservation then having the AA symbol and showing base miles?

If the property cost is say $3000 for the stay and shows the 11K base miles then what is the earning in LPs for the stay?
The earning rate is dynamic and does tend to fluctuate. The base miles number you see is the total LPs you'll earn.
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Old Nov 19, 22, 8:53 pm
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Originally Posted by coleslaw View Post
The earning rate is dynamic and does tend to fluctuate. The base miles number you see is the total LPs you'll earn.
Of course, you can "buy" more LPs through "Pay More to Earn More" and the "Boost".
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Old Nov 20, 22, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by vasantn View Post
Of course, you can "buy" more LPs through "Pay More to Earn More" and the "Boost".
It doesn't seem like that's always offered. I usually see it on the review/payment page, but not always.
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Old Nov 20, 22, 8:18 am
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Originally Posted by nk15 View Post
rocketmiles or bookaahotels, which I prefer. Look for hotel nights around $20 a night (Bali) and add the two mile boosters for $50 each (used to be &40, they may come back down). So it should be between $105-130 for each 4500 miles per night. My lowest was $101 for 4500 miles, but probably hard to find now. Book 1 or 2 night stays at a time, to be safer. Obviously the more miles you get through gift cards the cheaper. It occasionally hits 4x miles/$ for a day, there is a chance it may happen in Nov, but no guarantees (it happened once in May for a day).<snip>
And these are stays that you never actually check-in to, correct?

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Old Nov 20, 22, 8:23 am
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Yes. although if you actually plan to use the hotel it will be cheaper to get the miles by paying a small difference above what you would have paid anyway and book that stay on BAAH or rocketmiles. There is a dedicated thread for these hotels OTAs so more info is in there.
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Old Nov 22, 22, 4:30 pm
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I am currently at 199K+ LP's. I've gotten a fair number of LP's both from flying and from gift cards. (I can't get an AA credit card.) I've been redeeming miles for a lot of my travel lately, since I don't need the LP's. I can recycle enough GC's that I could make EXP solely on GC purchases as long as it stays at 3X.

In addition, I have several flight/trip credits that will expire sometime in the spring. I am cutting back on my travel, so rather than traveling every month, I have a trip planned for December, January, then not until April. My Dec/Jan trips are booked already although I could switch from points to cash, and I might for one particular flight - it's a 788 with SWU's available, and since I've found it's extremely difficult to get comp upgrades on the 788's, it's worth burning an SWU - keep in mind that I almost never fly internationally.

I have one SWU from last year, I haven't claimed my choice award for 2022-23 that I'm now eligible for, for making PPRO.

So here are my questions:

1) Does the date I make EXP affect the date on which I have to select choice rewards? I would prefer to defer that decision as long as possible.
2) Say I have a trip or flight credit that "expires" on March 15. Do I have to travel by March 15, or book by March 15?
3) Other than slightly higher upgrade priority, and keeping in mind that there is no way I'll get to 350K LP's, is there any value to getting more LP's now? There is a slight financial and time cost to buying and liquidating GC's, and always a danger that a bank will shut me down (although $6K a month is very different than the $250K a month I used to do). Is it most logical to just wait until March 1, and then go pedal-to-the-metal on buying GC's anytime they have a 3x multiplier?
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Old Nov 23, 22, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by guv1976 View Post
On AA-coded flights, class of service is irrelevant for LP earnings: all that counts is the pre-tax fare (assuming that you're traveling on a published fare). So it's conceivable that you could earn more on a Business Class flight than on a First Class flight, if the Business Class fare is higher.

That said, some FTers have reported that their AA-coded flights were incorrectly credited based on mileage and fare-booking code, rather than on pre-tax fare. If that is what is occurring in your case, you should contact AAdvantage Customer Service, and request that this be corrected.
Just to update this post, spoke to CK/AA desk this morning and YES, this was incorrect. They stated there have been issues with LP reporting properly so you should check. It had 15k LP for the trip I took in October, when speaking to her this morning she said this was incorrected listed as DISTANCE not FARE, and I was shorted about 40-50k LPs (thats a lot!). If you go through your flight history you can click on anything that looks low, in this case she suggested looking for anything listed as distance.
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Old Nov 25, 22, 10:54 pm
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AA Silver

has it been confirmed that AA silver spend bonuses for 5k LP at $20k / $40k / $50k spend will stay for foreseeable future?

do others agree with Gary from VFTW that AAviator silver spend bonuses with LP are up in the air for 2023 and beyond? Article is from October 2021 but have not seen update given this whole LP rollout was messy at launch

AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard cardmembers will earn up to 15,000 additional Loyalty Points at different spend thresholds between January 1, 2022 and February 28, 2023.

https://viewfromthewing.com/even-eas...han-it-seemed/
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