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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Sep 29, 22, 5:11 pm
  #3631  
 
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Originally Posted by DreAAmliner View Post
This is me exactly. My theory is many points "hackers" will stop at PPRO, once they get OWE. My supposition is that the PPRO ranks will get much bigger, as 125k LPs is not terribly hard to do if you are into this sort of thing, but the jump to EXP is meaningful, especially once you have OWE.
This is me. I hit PPRO a month ago, and stopped going out of my way to earn. If I make EXP itll be basically organic for the rest. Ive got 150K now, and I dont feel any urgency to earn another 50k. Under the old system I was a very junior gold, so this is a big improvement for me. Most of my travel is nonstops of less than 500 miles, and I generally only travel for business once a month, so I need to pay attention to hit 30 segments.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 6:31 pm
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It is actually relatively easy to get the segments. You can do a day trip of 4 segments, or an one day or weekend trip for 5-6 segments for $200-300 in main cabin, or less than $200 in BE. If it is just a segment run, you can probably stretch it more.
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Old Sep 30, 22, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by onfo View Post
That doesn't make sense. I would have thought it would be based on dollars, which would have been far more generous. I regularly fly that route, and even on BA metal, I think I have always maxed out the 75K award.
AA also calculated my BA flight (EXP in First) via the distance method and when I come back to the US I am going to call and try to get them to give me the many more LPs that I believe I earned.
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Old Sep 30, 22, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by ckendall View Post
AA also calculated my BA flight (EXP in First) via the distance method and when I come back to the US I am going to call and try to get them to give me the many more LPs that I believe I earned.
Yup. As long as it's flown under the AA flight number it should earn by dollars regardless of operating carrier.

Cheers.
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Old Sep 30, 22, 8:37 am
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[QUOTE=DreAAmliner;34640867]I

This is me exactly. My theory is many points "hackers" will stop at PPRO, once they get OWE. /QUOTE]

I've thought about this route as well. I do value the EXP desk as they've helped us quite a bit. But maybe not that much...

My concern is whether PPRO will remain OWE. This was done initially to harmonize with AS joining where their top-tier was at 75K and was OWE. So AA's then-75K-level, PPRO was made OWE. Now that AS have added a 100K level, I could see both 75K levels dropping to OWS.

And, having PPRO would make getting back to EXP (should the OW level change) that much harder due to the reduced LP earning.

Cheers.
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Old Oct 2, 22, 1:51 am
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Originally Posted by lsquare View Post
Is 1000 the highest ever?

Is any other major news publication worth signing up for the LPs? I actually read them.
The highest I've seen is 1500. In conjunction with the fairly frequent $4/month deal (for the first year), it's a no brainer if you like those publications.
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Old Oct 2, 22, 2:06 am
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Originally Posted by nk15 View Post
I also say it depends where you live. If in a competitive hub, rolling LPs will matter more, so it makes sense to keep it up more steadily.

I live in a non-hub mostly connecting via minor hubs, and/or flying weekends or midweeks on leisurely routes, and choose flights carefully, so I am almost guaranteed 100% upgrades.
I'm in the same boat. My most frequent domestic route is Minneapolis/Providence (via CLT, DCA or PHL), which makes the competition for upgrades almost nonexistent. So there's really no incentive to chase or even care about rolling numbers. And with the next Loyalty Rewards tier being so high, there's no incentive to chase that either.
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Old Oct 2, 22, 2:14 am
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Originally Posted by TranceXplant View Post
The highest I've seen is 1500. In conjunction with the fairly frequent $4/month deal (for the first year), it's a no brainer if you like those publications.
Which other publications earn LPs? Im a huge fan of the WSJ. I saw 1000 earlier this year, but didnt take advantage of it.
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Old Oct 2, 22, 2:33 am
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Originally Posted by lsquare View Post
Which other publications earn LPs? Im a huge fan of the WSJ. I saw 1000 earlier this year, but didnt take advantage of it.
I like the WSJ too. The other Dow Jones properties, Barron's and Marketwatch, regularly offer the exact same deals (1000-1500 LP and $4/month).
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Old Oct 3, 22, 5:26 am
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Had missing Marriott stay finally credited in August after 7 months -- the AA activities page states it as two separate entries

LOYALTY POINTS (JAN - FEB)
25 Aug. 2022

Award Miles 0
Base miles 0
Bonus miles 0
Loyalty Points 4,547

MARRIOTT HOTELS 3 DY RZ BARCELONA
16 Feb. 2022

Award Miles 4,547
Base miles 4,547
Bonus miles 0
Status Qualifying
Miles (EQMs) 0
Segments (EQSs) 0
Dollars (EQDs) 0
Anyone knows if the transaction will count towards Mar 2023 qualification cos I am right at 200k.
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Old Oct 3, 22, 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by NotSoMuch View Post
Had missing Marriott stay finally credited in August after 7 months -- the AA activities page states it as two separate entries

LOYALTY POINTS (JAN - FEB)
25 Aug. 2022

Award Miles 0
Base miles 0
Bonus miles 0
Loyalty Points 4,547

MARRIOTT HOTELS 3 DY RZ BARCELONA
16 Feb. 2022

Award Miles 4,547
Base miles 4,547
Bonus miles 0
Status Qualifying
Miles (EQMs) 0
Segments (EQSs) 0
Dollars (EQDs) 0
Anyone knows if the transaction will count towards Mar 2023 qualification cos I am right at 200k.
I'm still waiting on AA miles from a Marriott stay in late July in Tucson. I am never, ever crediting Marriott to AA again (so that essentially means I'll never be Bonvoyed again). Ridiculous that these don't post in a timely manner.
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Old Oct 3, 22, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by brp View Post
Yup. As long as it's flown under the AA flight number it should earn by dollars regardless of operating carrier.

Cheers.
Got through to Customer Service this morning and was told that it should take "7 to 10 business days" to correct my LPs (to Dollars rather than Distance method). Ugh.
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Old Oct 3, 22, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by NotSoMuch View Post
Had missing Marriott stay finally credited in August after 7 months -- the AA activities page states it as two separate entries

Anyone knows if the transaction will count towards Mar 2023 qualification cos I am right at 200k.
Yes, of course.
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Old Oct 3, 22, 1:48 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15 View Post
It is actually relatively easy to get the segments. You can do a day trip of 4 segments, or an one day or weekend trip for 5-6 segments for $200-300 in main cabin, or less than $200 in BE. If it is just a segment run, you can probably stretch it more.
any examples of segment runs that cheap from dfw?
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Old Oct 3, 22, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by davecraze View Post
any examples of segment runs that cheap from dfw?
Round trip to Kansas City | Google Flights

Just a random one.

Some more. Just play with it.

Dallas to Charlotte | Google Flights

Dallas to Charlotte | Google Flights

You can probably get up to 5-6 segments per day for around $200-250, if you spend some time on it (and minimum 4 segments).

Best days for cheap day trip segment runs are Saturdays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays.


EDIT: 5 segments in one day for under $200, you can explore it. However, with more then 4 segments a day you run a more serious risks for IRROPs, especially in the winter.

Charlotte to New York | Google Flights

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