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Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status

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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.










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Old Sep 22, 22, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by LovePrunes View Post
my last checkin, the hotel front desk person confirmed my bookAAhotels reservation "has been prepaid from Agoda" which I've seen (Agoda) as yet *another* booking site besides booking.com, kayak, expedia, travelocity, priceline etc.
I have no idea how many companies are all under the same umbrella. It's so weird.
The short answer is that if they all rolled up to one name, and you had a band experience, you would go with a competitor vs switch within the family of brands.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 6:23 am
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How far over 200k do I go?
That is the question. Going to hit EXP next weekend after an Alaska trip, so I'll have almost 5 months to keep accumulating if I want. There is zero chance I can hit 350k. Something like 250k+ is possible.

I assume that there will be a group of EXPs that once they hit 200k, they'll stop--switch to accumulating status on another airline, use another credit card, etc. because there's no obvious value until 350k. Question is, how big is that number?

If I get to like 205 or 210 and stop, I'd be putting myself ahead of the 200ks in the upgrade list. Good enough? I'm sure this is overthinking it, but it's FT after all.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 6:29 am
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I say use your judgement about what is the best deal/rewards on every case, but keep collecting AA miles periodically and somewhat regularly, especially if you don't have to go out of your way much to do so. You are also collecting RDMs with it and adding to your rolling LPs...I am in the same position and will keep this approach. I am also going for the segments now in a series of monthly fall/winter short vacation trips booked with miles, so I want to keep the miles coming in, to some extent.

I also seem myself ending with around 250k, and I am already locked in for *A top status as well.

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Old Sep 29, 22, 6:42 am
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Rolling LPs is probably more important than just making a particular number, at least for upgrades -- so for me, I am aiming for around 20-25K per month in LPs. 250K-300K per year?

I've done the math and losing out on some cashback doesn't come close to covering what it costs to pay to be up front on every trip.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 6:57 am
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I also say it depends where you live. If in a competitive hub, rolling LPs will matter more, so it makes sense to keep it up more steadily.

I live in a non-hub mostly connecting via minor hubs, and/or flying weekends or midweeks on leisurely routes, and choose flights carefully, so I am almost guaranteed 100% upgrades.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 7:34 am
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Are there any LP offers for the Wall Street Journal?
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Old Sep 29, 22, 8:02 am
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Originally Posted by lsquare View Post
Are there any LP offers for the Wall Street Journal?
Yes, through the shopping portal. Both WSJ and Barron's are on there for 500 miles each, but keep in mind they've gone up to 1000+ in the past (I snagged both earlier this year for 1000 each), so might want to keep an eye out.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 8:08 am
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Originally Posted by AirricK11 View Post
Yes, through the shopping portal. Both WSJ and Barron's are on there for 500 miles each, but keep in mind they've gone up to 1000+ in the past (I snagged both earlier this year for 1000 each), so might want to keep an eye out.
Is 1000 the highest ever?

Is any other major news publication worth signing up for the LPs? I actually read them.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by nineworldseries View Post
How far over 200k do I go?
That is the question. Going to hit EXP next weekend after an Alaska trip, so I'll have almost 5 months to keep accumulating if I want. There is zero chance I can hit 350k. Something like 250k+ is possible.

I assume that there will be a group of EXPs that once they hit 200k, they'll stop--switch to accumulating status on another airline, use another credit card, etc. because there's no obvious value until 350k. Question is, how big is that number?

If I get to like 205 or 210 and stop, I'd be putting myself ahead of the 200ks in the upgrade list. Good enough? I'm sure this is overthinking it, but it's FT after all.
I assume that there will be a group of EXPs that once they hit 200k, they'll stop--switch to accumulating status on another airline, use another credit card, etc. because there's no obvious value until 350k. Question is, how big is that number?

This is me exactly. My theory is many points "hackers" will stop at PPRO, once they get OWE. My supposition is that the PPRO ranks will get much bigger, as 125k LPs is not terribly hard to do if you are into this sort of thing, but the jump to EXP is meaningful, especially once you have OWE. Therefore, as soon as I hit 200k, i moved all my spend off the AA card and will no longer actively hunt for LPs. I will let my flying take me however far above 200k it gets me.

Dear AA, I am no longer incentivized to actively hunt for LPs (read: make you more money). I'm sure you are working on some type of LP Rollover program. My suggestions include:
  • Elite Choice Benefit that lets me rollover some amount of LPs
  • Each Status level lets you rollover X% of LPs to the next qualifying year.
I do not find the Loyalty Choice hurdles particularly enticing, so back to the Freedom Unlimited for all non-bonused categories.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 10:13 am
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Could anyone who recently traveled on BA show the miles earned? I want to know if the LP calculator is accurate with the approx miles earned as I will just scrape by Platinum depending on how much I earn on my BA flight in Jan!
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Old Sep 29, 22, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by DreAAmliner View Post
I assume that there will be a group of EXPs that once they hit 200k, they'll stop--switch to accumulating status on another airline, use another credit card, etc. because there's no obvious value until 350k. Question is, how big is that number?

This is me exactly. My theory is many points "hackers" will stop at PPRO, once they get OWE. My supposition is that the PPRO ranks will get much bigger, as 125k LPs is not terribly hard to do if you are into this sort of thing, but the jump to EXP is meaningful, especially once you have OWE. Therefore, as soon as I hit 200k, i moved all my spend off the AA card and will no longer actively hunt for LPs. I will let my flying take me however far above 200k it gets me.

Dear AA, I am no longer incentivized to actively hunt for LPs (read: make you more money). I'm sure you are working on some type of LP Rollover program. My suggestions include:
  • Elite Choice Benefit that lets me rollover some amount of LPs
  • Each Status level lets you rollover X% of LPs to the next qualifying year.
I do not find the Loyalty Choice hurdles particularly enticing, so back to the Freedom Unlimited for all non-bonused categories.
Some form of LP rollover seems like a good idea.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by Shubham Pokharkar View Post
Could anyone who recently traveled on BA show the miles earned? I want to know if the LP calculator is accurate with the approx miles earned as I will just scrape by Platinum depending on how much I earn on my BA flight in Jan!
I flew BA ORD-LHR on July 3 as PPro in J. 001 ticket, AA flight number, BA operated.
Method: Distance
Base miles: 3953
Status: 3163
Cabin: 1977
Total: 9093

Take care,
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Old Sep 29, 22, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by saunders111 View Post
I flew BA ORD-LHR on July 3 as PPro in J. 001 ticket, AA flight number, BA operated.
Method: Distance
Base miles: 3953
Status: 3163
Cabin: 1977
Total: 9093

Take care,
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That doesn't make sense. I would have thought it would be based on dollars, which would have been far more generous. I regularly fly that route, and even on BA metal, I think I have always maxed out the 75K award.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by DreAAmliner View Post
Dear AA, I am no longer incentivized to actively hunt for LPs (read: make you more money). I'm sure you are working on some type of LP Rollover program. My suggestions include:
  • Elite Choice Benefit that lets me rollover some amount of LPs
  • Each Status level lets you rollover X% of LPs to the next qualifying year.
I do not find the Loyalty Choice hurdles particularly enticing, so back to the Freedom Unlimited for all non-bonused categories.
It's quite the conundrum for me. I'm obviously going to fly a bunch on AA next year as an EXP, so RDMs are quite useful to me. I could eke a bit more value out of the Bilt card and transfer to Hyatt or United, but why am I going to fly an airline with no status? I guess I'll just keep being slavishly loyal and keep racking up RDMs.

I do think it would be better if the further Loyalty Choice tiers would be more obtainable-- even 300k would give me a more reasonable goal to shoot for and incentivize me more to keep spending with AA.
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Old Sep 29, 22, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by nineworldseries View Post
It's quite the conundrum for me. I'm obviously going to fly a bunch on AA next year as an EXP, so RDMs are quite useful to me. I could eke a bit more value out of the Bilt card and transfer to Hyatt or United, but why am I going to fly an airline with no status? I guess I'll just keep being slavishly loyal and keep racking up RDMs.

I do think it would be better if the further Loyalty Choice tiers would be more obtainable-- even 300k would give me a more reasonable goal to shoot for and incentivize me more to keep spending with AA.
The way I see it, once i hit 200k, plus any additional RDMs/LPs from AA flying, i am comfortable accumulating Chase UR Points for the rest of the qualifying year. Freedom Unlimited gives me 1.5 on non-bonus, and, as i also have a Reserve, i can redeem in the UR portal for a flat 2.25CPM on AA. This is above average in its own right for domestic travel. And, oddly enough, as this is an OTA booking, i will get more RDMs/LPs from this.... At least this way i can be flexible by having a flat 2.25CPM redemption option on AA, and also have transfer partners (read: Hyatt) if need be. Don't get me wrong, OTA bookings suck, but for the few that i would eventually make, i think i can handle it. Besides, my spend/travel is not such that i would come close to the 350k LPs for the next loyalty choice anyway.

AA needs to figure out how to incentivize actively pursuing non-flight LPs above 200k, or maybe there are not enough people in that category for them to care.
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