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American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!

Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage

How many LPs do I need for elite status?


Code:
Gold:       30K
 Platinum:   75K
 Plat Pro:  125K
 EXP:       200K
How do I earn LPs?

Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.

AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $

Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)

* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.

So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.

A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.

Earning chart for QR

Here's a great online LP calculator:

https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/

AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints

There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:

BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.

SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.

AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through from this portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com. If bonus miles are offered for a particular merchant, such as an increase from 2 miles per dollar to 10 miles per dollar, you earn that amount in redeemable miles and an equal amount of loyalty points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, enrollment bonus, or threshold spending bonus, you only earn redeemable miles for this and not loyalty points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.

Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.

Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard

What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.

These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.

Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.

Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.





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Old May 26, 22, 4:17 pm
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I just hit Platinum on AA (with spend on my Citi Exec card, where I have shifted most of our bills and spending to). We have flown one RT on AA this year, with two more scheduled. It's becoming our airline of choice, because we now live in AA territory, but it's funny how the change to LP made it possible to hit Platinum before doing much flying at all.
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Old May 26, 22, 5:00 pm
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Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
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Old May 26, 22, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
If you could figure out RDM last year your can figure out LP this year.
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Old May 26, 22, 6:31 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
I don't think anyone other than AA's PR department would call it "easier."

Harvard has been described as a hedge fund with a university attached. AA can be descrbed at this point as a credit card company with an airline subsidiary.
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Old May 26, 22, 6:34 pm
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Originally Posted by redtop43 View Post
I don't think anyone other than AA's PR department would call it "easier."
Seriously? It's so much easier. No EQD. No "EQM or EQS". Just a single metric that can be earned multiple different ways. I'm not sure how it could possibly be any simpler.
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Old May 26, 22, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by njvandy View Post
In my experience, Amazon Reload is the best way to liquidate small balances on GCs with no fee. The minimum is $0.50. Yes, I tried to add a card with a $0.26 balance and spent 10 minutes of my life that I will never get back trying to make it work.
Many bill options have that, too. Phone bills, cable/internet, electric, Starbucks, Uber, etc. Just load up your account funds for future payments....
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Old May 27, 22, 7:33 am
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler View Post
Seriously? It's so much easier. No EQD. No "EQM or EQS". Just a single metric that can be earned multiple different ways. I'm not sure how it could possibly be any simpler.
then Im just stupid then.
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Old May 27, 22, 8:33 am
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Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
Wasn't LP created to make things easier? I can't tell which way if right or left with this stupid new system.
My I ask what has been troubling you the most?

For me, at first, it was discerning the difference between RDMs that were "Bonus" (not LPs). These threads have given me a lot of confidence in understanding that now.

Otherwise, as i see it, If you get an RDM, it is likely an LP.
With the biggest caveats being:
-credit card welcome bonus
-credit card category multiplier
-anything that specifically says "Bonus" on AA Eshopping
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Old May 31, 22, 4:09 pm
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Originally Posted by DreAAmliner View Post
My I ask what has been troubling you the most?

For me, at first, it was discerning the difference between RDMs that were "Bonus" (not LPs). These threads have given me a lot of confidence in understanding that now.

Otherwise, as i see it, If you get an RDM, it is likely an LP.
With the biggest caveats being:
-credit card welcome bonus
-credit card category multiplier
-anything that specifically says "Bonus" on AA Eshopping
I'll chime in on this. Partner airlines and mixed tickets for example. My specific one is in June, I fly JFK-LHR-NCE on 001 ticket stock. It's the back end of a RT I had to change in March (MXP-JFK was the start) as I got food poisoning. That change changed the fare a LOT and in typical AA fashion, how it splits across segments is muddy as hell.

But even putting those issues aside. My upcoming flights are 1) JFK-LHR 001 ticket stock/ AA flight # / BA metal and 2) LHR-NCE 001 ticket stock / BA flight # / BA flight. What LPs should I expect? My guess:

1) JFK-LHR will be based on ticket value and as PPRO I will get 9x that value. While it is a PE ticket in W class I don't believe cabin bonuses exist for LPs that are calc'd from ticket price (I guess they figure what you paid is the "bonus").
2) LHR-NCE will be based on miles and for that I get Miles (~647 base) and an 80% status bonus so appx. 1,164 miles--> LPs. (ticket is B as there is no PE cabin).

Alternatively, as it's all on AA ticket stock, I guess they could do both 1 & 2 on spend.

Just not very clear to me. Of course, I haven't been flying a ton so all this is relatively new. Just a pain to figure out.
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Old May 31, 22, 4:23 pm
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Originally Posted by JMN57 View Post
I'll chime in on this. Partner airlines and mixed tickets for example. My specific one is in June, I fly JFK-LHR-NCE on 001 ticket stock. It's the back end of a RT I had to change in March (MXP-JFK was the start) as I got food poisoning. That change changed the fare a LOT and in typical AA fashion, how it splits across segments is muddy as hell.

But even putting those issues aside. My upcoming flights are 1) JFK-LHR 001 ticket stock/ AA flight # / BA metal and 2) LHR-NCE 001 ticket stock / BA flight # / BA flight. What LPs should I expect? My guess:

1) JFK-LHR will be based on ticket value and as PPRO I will get 9x that value. While it is a PE ticket in W class I don't believe cabin bonuses exist for LPs that are calc'd from ticket price (I guess they figure what you paid is the "bonus").
2) LHR-NCE will be based on miles and for that I get Miles (~647 base) and an 80% status bonus so appx. 1,164 miles--> LPs. (ticket is B as there is no PE cabin).

Alternatively, as it's all on AA ticket stock, I guess they could do both 1 & 2 on spend.

Just not very clear to me. Of course, I haven't been flying a ton so all this is relatively new. Just a pain to figure out.
This has nothing to do with the change to LP though. The problem is that you are not sure how your flights will accrue RDM. You would have had the same problem last year (because, how your flights will accrue RDM has not changed).

This year you do not have the additional step of figuring out EQM, EQS, and EQD. Once you have figured out RDM, the LP will be the same as the RDM. That is strictly simpler -- it's less stuff to figure out.

It is true that you need to figure out how to split the fare between the two segments, but that would have been required last year anyway in order to calculate EQD and RDM correctly.
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Old May 31, 22, 5:04 pm
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler View Post
This has nothing to do with the change to LP though. The problem is that you are not sure how your flights will accrue RDM. You would have had the same problem last year (because, how your flights will accrue RDM has not changed).

This year you do not have the additional step of figuring out EQM, EQS, and EQD. Once you have figured out RDM, the LP will be the same as the RDM. That is strictly simpler -- it's less stuff to figure out.

It is true that you need to figure out how to split the fare between the two segments, but that would have been required last year anyway in order to calculate EQD and RDM correctly.
For me, before LPs I didn't need to figure out how $'s split among segments to get to EQM and figuring out how RDMs split across segments was relatively easy. So, while there is less to track, calculating the less is more complex. I had a spreadsheet that easily calculated EQM, EQS & EQD going back, for flown segments, and forward for remaining trips that worked pretty well.

That said, hotels on RM or AAHotels make it a lot easier to pick up LPs (I have a 4 day stay in June that will net 24,000 LPs on hotel) so, outside the pain of estimating them (which will drop with familiarity) I think it is easier to qualify now than before (certainly with less flying).
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Old May 31, 22, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by JMN57 View Post
For me, before LPs I didn't need to figure out how $'s split among segments to get to EQM and figuring out how RDMs split across segments was relatively easy.
You needed to figure out how to split money to figure out both EQD and RDM if one of the segments was AA marketed and one was not, just as you do now for RDM and LP. You say that figuring out how RDM were split was "relatively easy"; it's the exact same thing you have to do now. Nothing has changed in this regard.

Your problem is that one of the segments is going to post by fare and the other is going to post by distance. That would have lead to the exact same issue last year when calculating EQD and RDM.

So, while there is less to track, calculating the less is more complex.
No, it's identical. See above.

I had a spreadsheet that easily calculated EQM, EQS & EQD going back, for flown segments, and forward for remaining trips that worked pretty well.
If you can calculate what the EQD would have been on the AA marketed segment last year, you are done. Multiply by whatever your multiplier is for your status (just like you would have for RDM last year) and that's what the AA marketed segment earns. The other segment will earn by distance; that's simple.

It makes no sense to say the figuring out RDM was easy last year and figuring out LP is hard this year. They are exactly the same.
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Old Jun 2, 22, 3:33 am
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Purchased a one-way Europe to US ticket for this past weekend... only available fares were flexible, so ended up paying about $2400 for coach.
Applied an SWU at time of ticketing (late March). Booking made via AA.com and agent.

About two days before departure, upgrade space finally opened on a routing with better timings... called & made the change.

Last night, credit posts to my account based on "distance" rather than fare -- meaning substantially fewer LP's.
(says flight was in "O" - although got 50% not 25% of distance, so not sure what they were doing).

Is there hope in calling to get it recalculated? If so, what should I say to agent?

Thanks,
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Old Jun 2, 22, 4:21 am
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Originally Posted by sombrachinesca View Post
Purchased a one-way Europe to US ticket for this past weekend... only available fares were flexible, so ended up paying about $2400 for coach.
Applied an SWU at time of ticketing (late March). Booking made via AA.com and agent.

About two days before departure, upgrade space finally opened on a routing with better timings... called & made the change.

Last night, credit posts to my account based on "distance" rather than fare -- meaning substantially fewer LP's.
(says flight was in "O" - although got 50% not 25% of distance, so not sure what they were doing).

Is there hope in calling to get it recalculated? If so, what should I say to agent?

Thanks,
Bill


Surely a return would have been much cheaper, even if you ended up skipping the return leg?

You can send a request online via the contact us page and explain that it was an AA ticketed flight, state the amount you paid excl taxes and ask them to correct the posting.
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Old Jun 2, 22, 5:30 am
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Originally Posted by sombrachinesca View Post
Purchased a one-way Europe to US ticket for this past weekend... only available fares were flexible, so ended up paying about $2400 for coach.
Applied an SWU at time of ticketing (late March). Booking made via AA.com and agent.

About two days before departure, upgrade space finally opened on a routing with better timings... called & made the change.

Last night, credit posts to my account based on "distance" rather than fare -- meaning substantially fewer LP's.
(says flight was in "O" - although got 50% not 25% of distance, so not sure what they were doing).

Is there hope in calling to get it recalculated? If so, what should I say to agent?

Thanks,
Bill
This business of calculating "Method: distance" happened to me this weekend as well. Paid $1038 for last minute ticket (apparently about $1015 eligible for LP), flew DSM-ORD-RIC on Saturday, and RIC-CLT-DSM on Sunday. Took days for the DSM-RIC to post (which is unusual), and when it did I was surprised it was only 2071 LP. But I figured the outbound musta been the cheap half of the ticket. But when RIC-DSM posted at only 2365 LP, I finally called in Tuesday.

The agent confirmed I'm still EXP in system and confirmed RIC-DSM calculated on fare, which turned out to be $215 (the "cheap" part of the ticket) - so was correct. She is the one who noticed the miscalculation based on distance for DSM-RIC, which of course is incorrect. ​​​She escalated to customer service to investigate and I was told I would get an email when corrected.

Still waiting ...
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