Dec 17, 2021, 11:25 am
Last edit by: jbeckett
American Airlines announced that starting in 2022, the way to earn Elite status has changed. No more Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM), Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS), or Elite Qualifying Dollars (EQD)!
Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
How many LPs do I need for elite status?
How do I earn LPs?
Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.
AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $
Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)
* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.
So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.
A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.
Earning chart for QR
Here's a great online LP calculator:
https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/
AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints
There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:
BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.
SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.
AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.
Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.
Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard
What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.
These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.
Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.
Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler℠ status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.
Now, you can get AA Elite status by earning Loyalty Points (LPs): https://aadvantagestatus.com/?anchor...=newaadvantage
How many LPs do I need for elite status?
Code:
Gold: 40K Platinum: 75K Plat Pro: 125K EXP: 200K
Flying
What you get for redeemable miles (RDM) is what you'll get for LPs.
AA and B6 flights:
No status: 5 LPs per $ spent in base fare plus fees (excludes taxes)
Gold: 7 LPs per $
Platinum: 8 LPs per $
Plat Pro: 9 LPs per $
EXP: 11 LPs per $
Partner flights (other than B6):
Distance flown x accrual rate* x (1 + cabin bonus + elite bonus**)
* Certain discount fares earn less than 100% of miles flown. In those cases, the discounted accrual rate (0% to 75% depending on the partner and the fare class) should be applied to the flown miles. Otherwise, the accrual rate is 100%. If there is a cabin bonus, it should not be added to the accrual rate; it is applied separately within the parentheses. The accrual rate can never be more than 100%.
** 40% for GLD, 60% for PLT, 80% for PRO, 120% for EXP.
So for example, an EXP on a 5000-mile flight on QR booked in J would earn 5000 x 100% x (1 + 25% + 120%) = 5000 x 1 x 2.45 = 12250 LPs.
A PLT on the same flight booked in P would earn 5000 x 75% x (1 + 0% + 60%) = 5000 x .75 x 1.6 = 6000 LPs.
Earning chart for QR
Here's a great online LP calculator:
https://lpcalculator.com/#/calculator/
AAdvantage non-flying partners:
Generally, 1 LP per base mile earned. But in many cases you can earn large bonuses that post as base miles; see link here: https://exploreamerican.com/newaadva...nloyaltypoints
There are differences among how these programs work, ranging from minor to significant, in terms of awarding LPs. You will need to skim through the thread as there are too many different promo offers to address here. But here are the popular ones:
BookAAHotels and RocketMiles: You can earn large mileage bonuses here, separated into "base" miles and "promo" miles by the portals. For now they are all posting as base miles on aa.com, but there is a suspicion that the "promo" miles may start posting as bonus miles (and so would not count as LP). You don't even have to actually check in or stay at the hotel as long as you pay for the stay.
SimplyMiles: You must link a MasterCard to the account. Then you can add their promos to your card by activating the offers. When you accept one of their offers and then pay for it using your linked card, you will get the associated miles which currently post as base miles on aa.com.
AAdvantage eShopping: Once you click through the AAdvantage eShopping portal to a vendor offer and make a purchase, you will eventually get the associated miles posted to your AAdvantage account as both redeemable miles and Loyalty Points. If the merchant advertises an increase in the miles per dollar spent, you'll earn the higher amount in both redeemable miles and an equal number of Loyalty Points. The same applies if a merchant advertises a higher fixed amount per purchase, rather than a per dollar amount. Examples of this would appear on the portal as, "Extra miles. Was 1 mile/$. Now earn 3 miles/$" or "Extra miles. Was up to 3700 miles. Now up to 6200 miles." However, if the website advertises a "Limited-time bonus offer" for "bonus miles" after meeting a spending threshold, that bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points. If a bonus is offered for some site-wide activity such as 1000 miles for installing an extension, or 500 miles for enrolling in the portal, or 2000 miles for meeting a spending threshold across multiple merchants, the bonus will only post as redeemable miles and not Loyalty Points.
- A separate thread exists to discuss the AAdvantage eShopping portal
- Another thread exists to discuss using the portal for a particular merchant, giftcards.com
- For additional questions about buying and using gift cards, refer to the separate Manufactured Spending forum.
(If a vendor has offers with both SimplyMiles and eShopping, activate the offer on SimplyMiles first and then make the purchase through eShopping with the MasterCard linked to your SimplyMiles account. Apparently that you can get a double-dip. You can also get a double-dip by stacking the promos with discount offers from your credit card issuers, basically reducing the cost to you.
Booking directly with hotels, car rental companies, etc.: The picture here is a bit unclear but it appears that if you book with a hotel that offers 5x miles, only 1 mile will post as base and the rest as bonus.
Credit card spend:
1 LP per $ spent on an AA branded card (except for one card which earns 0.50 LP per $ and several non-US cards which earn 2 LP per $). See the list of cards, and a lot more small print here: https://creditcards.aa.com/aadvantag...hange_ExecCard
What about spending bonuses?
E.g., your card gives 2x miles for hotels, or 3x for AA purchases, etc etc. These do NOT count.
These bonuses count:
Citi AAdvantage Executive World Elite Mastercard (the $450 annual fee card that gives Admirals Club access): 10K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend for the year.
AAdvantage Aviator Silver Mastercard: 5K LP bonus when hitting $20K spend, another 5K LP bonus when hitting $40K spend, and another 5K LP bonus when hitting $50K spend for the year.
Do miles earned at Bask Bank count?
No.
Will Loyalty Points count toward Million Miler℠ status?
No, Million Miler℠ status will still be earned the same way as today, based on miles earned from flying with American and its partners.
Loyalty Points discussion/questions - From 2022 now used for determining elite status
Feb 4, 2022, 11:49 am
#1936
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Except for my first one (a one-night test), these are all actual hotel stays that I needed to book anyway. I had to pay a small incremental amount and forfeit my elite benefits, so that was the net additional monetary and non-monetary cost. Basically I paid an extra $867 for 40K (hopefully) LPs. I also sacrificed my Marriott elite benefits which are of low value to me although others might value them more highly.
Feb 4, 2022, 11:59 am
#1937
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I'm not sure that the inverse is true, since elite bonus on flying still counts as LP and is in the "bonus" category (though I think that's the only example?)
Feb 4, 2022, 12:12 pm
#1938
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I'm sure that they are tracking them. But whether they want to go through the trouble of displaying two qualification progresses for two different years is a different story. For most people this would just be confusing, and it's significant work for something that would only be live for 2 months and then get thrown away. It's a lot easier to just wait until the end of the double dip period and then start showing next year's progress.
Cheers.
Feb 4, 2022, 12:13 pm
#1939
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Feb 4, 2022, 2:05 pm
#1940
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Verizon and AT&T update
So I sent in a missing miles request for Verizon to eShopping. Let's see how they respond.
I also need them to look into the near-identical AT&T promo. Unfortunately I never received a receipt for either of my AT&T prepaid plan purchases; just an email saying "your order is being processed" with no details. Also I've been charged only for the SIM card but not for the plan. Anyone else having this issue? eShopping is requesting a copy of the receipt but there doesn't seem to be a way to get one.
I also need them to look into the near-identical AT&T promo. Unfortunately I never received a receipt for either of my AT&T prepaid plan purchases; just an email saying "your order is being processed" with no details. Also I've been charged only for the SIM card but not for the plan. Anyone else having this issue? eShopping is requesting a copy of the receipt but there doesn't seem to be a way to get one.
According to AT&T Wireless' Terms and Conditions listed below, rewards will be credited 90 days after the order has been shipped.
"Only eligible on sales that contain a new line of service (including adding a line) for a smartphone/tablet on NEXT or 2 year agreement. You are credited 90 days after the order has been shipped. iPad, iPhone, plan renewals, phone upgrades, accessories, Business-to-Business and Prepaid GoPhone orders are not eligible. Other restrictions may apply. Not eligible on any free products, trials, services, subscriptions and memberships. Not eligible on all retailer marketing subscriptions. Not eligible on purchases made with coupon or discount codes that are not found on this site. Not eligible on gift cards, gift certificates or any other similar cash equivalents. Purchases made with a gift card may be ineligible."
If the reward for Order # 23-794802833692774 does not post 90 days after the order has been shipped please contact us back and we will be happy to research this further.
Furthermore, the information for order # 40352247 from Verizon has been forwarded to our research department for review. Please allow 4-8 weeks for this matter to be resolved.
"Only eligible on sales that contain a new line of service (including adding a line) for a smartphone/tablet on NEXT or 2 year agreement. You are credited 90 days after the order has been shipped. iPad, iPhone, plan renewals, phone upgrades, accessories, Business-to-Business and Prepaid GoPhone orders are not eligible. Other restrictions may apply. Not eligible on any free products, trials, services, subscriptions and memberships. Not eligible on all retailer marketing subscriptions. Not eligible on purchases made with coupon or discount codes that are not found on this site. Not eligible on gift cards, gift certificates or any other similar cash equivalents. Purchases made with a gift card may be ineligible."
If the reward for Order # 23-794802833692774 does not post 90 days after the order has been shipped please contact us back and we will be happy to research this further.
Furthermore, the information for order # 40352247 from Verizon has been forwarded to our research department for review. Please allow 4-8 weeks for this matter to be resolved.
Feb 4, 2022, 2:35 pm
#1941
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I think it's more important to them that nothing that doesn't count show up in the base column. It should minimize complaints and questions, and give them a very easy one-line canned response if people do complain.
Feb 4, 2022, 7:00 pm
#1942
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Is this something new?
I just got this email from AAdvantage eShopping:
I've made 8 purchases through the portal in the last month, of which 4 have posted and 4 have not so far. But this is the first such email that I've received. It would be great if this turns out to be the new regular process.
We see you made a purchase at Factor 75 through AAdvantage eShoppingSM.
So what happens next? We will review your order for eligible miles and send you a confirmation email when your miles have posted to your shopping account. This usually takes 3-5 days. Thanks again for shopping with us.
Reviewing order #206256473 placed on 02/04/2022 for $29.99
So what happens next? We will review your order for eligible miles and send you a confirmation email when your miles have posted to your shopping account. This usually takes 3-5 days. Thanks again for shopping with us.
Reviewing order #206256473 placed on 02/04/2022 for $29.99
Feb 4, 2022, 9:54 pm
#1943
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I just got this email from AAdvantage eShopping:
I've made 8 purchases through the portal in the last month, of which 4 have posted and 4 have not so far. But this is the first such email that I've received. It would be great if this turns out to be the new regular process.
I've made 8 purchases through the portal in the last month, of which 4 have posted and 4 have not so far. But this is the first such email that I've received. It would be great if this turns out to be the new regular process.
Feb 5, 2022, 5:56 am
#1944
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BTW the 2K miles for the purchase referred to in that email are showing as pending already, so that's a nice surprise. Another 1% of the way toward EXP for a cost of $30; and I might even get some good food in the bargain!
Feb 5, 2022, 6:30 am
#1945
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That's too bad; it would be nice if it were a standard feature.
BTW the 2K miles for the purchase referred to in that email are showing as pending already, so that's a nice surprise. Another 1% of the way toward EXP for a cost of $30; and I might even get some good food in the bargain!
BTW the 2K miles for the purchase referred to in that email are showing as pending already, so that's a nice surprise. Another 1% of the way toward EXP for a cost of $30; and I might even get some good food in the bargain!
Feb 5, 2022, 7:42 am
#1946
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I'm pretty sure you can. I recall seeing a "suspend indefinitely" type of feature. If I like the meals I may reorder; I did that with Sunbasket.
Feb 5, 2022, 8:42 am
#1947
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Hello All,
I finally have a real world flight where both BA and AA cost the same, but each is flown by the other, and I am trying to figure out which way gives me the most points, or if it's so close it doesn't matter.
This is a flight from Dallas to Athens, Greece with a stop in LHR.
The flight is $1300 either with BA or AA. If I understand correctly, as I am an Exec Plat, for the AA booked flight (even though I am on a BA plane for the trip) it's 11 LP per dollar....so I believe that's ($1300 x 11) = 14,300 LP for the flight
If I book via BA (even though I then end up on a AA plane) that looks to be about 6228 miles each way, so 13,400 miles total, which I think means 13,400 LP
I am flying Prem Econ ( which I don't see any modifiers for it, so I don't think it matters, but I am posting in case I am wrong).
So it looks like it's pretty close between the two, am I right? Or am I missing something?
Thank you.
I finally have a real world flight where both BA and AA cost the same, but each is flown by the other, and I am trying to figure out which way gives me the most points, or if it's so close it doesn't matter.
This is a flight from Dallas to Athens, Greece with a stop in LHR.
The flight is $1300 either with BA or AA. If I understand correctly, as I am an Exec Plat, for the AA booked flight (even though I am on a BA plane for the trip) it's 11 LP per dollar....so I believe that's ($1300 x 11) = 14,300 LP for the flight
If I book via BA (even though I then end up on a AA plane) that looks to be about 6228 miles each way, so 13,400 miles total, which I think means 13,400 LP
I am flying Prem Econ ( which I don't see any modifiers for it, so I don't think it matters, but I am posting in case I am wrong).
So it looks like it's pretty close between the two, am I right? Or am I missing something?
Thank you.
Feb 5, 2022, 9:50 am
#1948
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Posts: 132
Hello All,
I finally have a real world flight where both BA and AA cost the same, but each is flown by the other, and I am trying to figure out which way gives me the most points, or if it's so close it doesn't matter.
This is a flight from Dallas to Athens, Greece with a stop in LHR.
The flight is $1300 either with BA or AA. If I understand correctly, as I am an Exec Plat, for the AA booked flight (even though I am on a BA plane for the trip) it's 11 LP per dollar....so I believe that's ($1300 x 11) = 14,300 LP for the flight
If I book via BA (even though I then end up on a AA plane) that looks to be about 6228 miles each way, so 13,400 miles total, which I think means 13,400 LP
I am flying Prem Econ ( which I don't see any modifiers for it, so I don't think it matters, but I am posting in case I am wrong).
So it looks like it's pretty close between the two, am I right? Or am I missing something?
Thank you.
I finally have a real world flight where both BA and AA cost the same, but each is flown by the other, and I am trying to figure out which way gives me the most points, or if it's so close it doesn't matter.
This is a flight from Dallas to Athens, Greece with a stop in LHR.
The flight is $1300 either with BA or AA. If I understand correctly, as I am an Exec Plat, for the AA booked flight (even though I am on a BA plane for the trip) it's 11 LP per dollar....so I believe that's ($1300 x 11) = 14,300 LP for the flight
If I book via BA (even though I then end up on a AA plane) that looks to be about 6228 miles each way, so 13,400 miles total, which I think means 13,400 LP
I am flying Prem Econ ( which I don't see any modifiers for it, so I don't think it matters, but I am posting in case I am wrong).
So it looks like it's pretty close between the two, am I right? Or am I missing something?
Thank you.
I believe... having been an AAdvantage Member in good standing for 35 years, with Lifetime status and currently ExPlat -- I believe that if you bank on receiving a Status Bonus Loyalty Point Earning when flying on OneWorld Marketed Tickets (think buying a BA Ticket and flying any combination of AA, BA, IB, JL, CP, QR, etc..) with your earning deposited into an AAdvantage Account -- you will be disappointed. I believe that you will earn LPs via Distance and Cabin Bonus but will not receive additional LP Bonus earnings from your status. Again, this is when flying on OneWorld Marketed Tickets and relates to Status LP Earnings... Not Award Mileage Earnings.
I believe.... you will earn LPs via Status Bonuses when flying on American Airlines Marketed tickets irrespective of the carrier (those operated by BA, IB, JL, QR, etc...) with AA Codeshare Flight Numbers. And, you can earn Status Bonus LPs when flying on American Airlines Partners such as JetBlue... But not OneWorld Partner Marketed Tickets.
Those who have argued with me in previous threads keep posting the same information from the New Loyalty Points website but completely ignore what "Partner Airlines" mean and exclusionary language within the documentation. I have flown dozens of OneWorld Marketed flights over the many years (as recently as in the past few weeks) and the EQM and EQD earnings are truly different than when flying on American Airlines Marketed flights on different carriers. I am confident in my understanding of the program and caution those who think they can take a lowest cost "T" or "R" booking class on a OneWorld Marketed ticket and fly around the world for $2000 and earn Plat or PlatPro in one-shot because they think they are getting a 120% boost to Loyalty Points earnings due to their Elite Status.
Bring on the flames.
AGE
Last edited by oldAGE; Feb 5, 2022 at 9:55 am
Feb 5, 2022, 11:23 am
#1949
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Now there's a little "info" button you can click where it says "eligible miles". It says:
Eligible AAdvantageŽ Miles include all base miles you earn, as well as elite bonus and cabin bonus miles you earn from flying. See FAQs for exclusions.
Last edited by VegasGambler; Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 am