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FlyerBeek Jul 12, 2021 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by gcsmith (Post 33401624)
Those seats were plentiful just a week ago for all of May and up to 330 days in June. I can't believe overnight they were all booked by customers. Someone / something took the inventory back.

Fairly common, in my experience. Award floodgates briefly open at EOS, only to have all the award inventory pulled back shortly thereafter.

-FlyerBeek

pinniped Jul 12, 2021 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerBeek (Post 33399765)
Completely agree. It's not like the other programs haven't been devalued over the last few years and, if anything, a strong argument can be made that AA has been far slower to devalue AAdvantage relative to DL and UA.

-FlyerBeek

If the ability to change/redeposit awards (with reasonable notice) remains a fixture going forward, that that is a legit unironic enhancement for me.

wanaflyforless Jul 12, 2021 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by chicago747 (Post 33394270)
But compared to UA and DL, they have by far the best dynamic FC rates domestically. You just have to be somewhat flexible and vigilant in your search. Hope the OP finds something at a reasonable rate!

This has been my experience.


Originally Posted by Cledaybuck (Post 33395070)
Domestically, I find AA to be ok sometimes. UA seems to be horrible every time I check.

I check WN, B6, DL, UA, and AA miles booking options for every trip.
Over the past 3 years, planning 30+ domestic trips for my family and friends, AA has been the best value 2/3 of the time.
For international trips, AA miles have only occasionally offered the best value, in my experience.


Originally Posted by italiakd (Post 33399261)
MileSAAver is generally only open on flights that are not predicted to sell out with cash pax. Otherwise, its going to spit out a Web Special, or for very full flights, full AAnytime asks.

Web Special have often been a nice bargain booking far out.
I have booked several domestic first trips for less than 20K miles/person each way (15K being the lowest).

Free redeposit makes it work to book far out and cancel/revise over time.

cova Jul 12, 2021 8:16 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerBeek (Post 33401657)
Fairly common, in my experience. Award floodgates briefly open at EOS, only to have all the award inventory pulled back shortly thereafter.

-FlyerBeek

I don't think it is being pulled back. I think people are booking at EOS - like me. I got a 57.5K one way to Europe in late May - not the date I wanted but nevertheless. AA never opened inventory on later dates - as I tracked day by day. And the date I am booked still has inventory on some AA routes - not what I have.

What I can tell is AA opened inventory until sometime in late May and since then they have not opened any J seats for the cheaper reward. In fact they aren't even offering J at any level of miles - not even double or triple. Maybe demand hit and they disabled releasing more inventory.

On the other hand if you look at UA - they are so much better than AA - (lowest is 66K versus AA of 57.5K and UA is around 72-73K for partners.) but way better availability. And one big plus for UA is you can do an intra Europe flight and an open jaw and the intra-Europe flight is free at same class as the first main segment.

355F1 Jul 12, 2021 8:52 pm


Originally Posted by beltway (Post 33402583)
“EOS”?

From context, I’m guessing this means something like “at the 330-day threshold.”

Yes.

End Of Schedule.

:)

FlyerBeek Jul 13, 2021 4:17 am


Originally Posted by cova (Post 33402536)
I don't think it is being pulled back. I think people are booking at EOS - like me…

On the other hand if you look at UA - they are so much better than AA - (lowest is 66K versus AA of 57.5K and UA is around 72-73K for partners.) but way better availability. And one big plus for UA is you can do an intra Europe flight and an open jaw and the intra-Europe flight is free at same class as the first main segment.

I think it’s a case of both. Didn’t mean to imply that all AA flights have award space released at EOS and definitely agree regarding the greater flexibility using UA (and *A partner) awards towards EOS more reliably than AA, in my experience. But, I have seen cases on AA where a large swath (sometimes upwards of hundreds of award seats) simply disappears simultaneously when they were available in inventory for several days - which makes me think it simply isn’t just people simultaneously booking them but rather some other RM logic at play.


Originally Posted by beltway (Post 33402583)
“EOS”?

From context, I’m guessing this means something like “at the 330-day threshold.”

Correct. End of Schedule. Sorry for the unexplained acronym.

-FlyerBeek

pinniped Jul 13, 2021 6:30 am


Originally Posted by cova (Post 33402536)
I think people are booking at EOS - like me. I got a 57.5K one way to Europe in late May - not the date I wanted but nevertheless.

I could go both ways on this. Whenever I book a trip 330 days in advance, people think I'm crazy. Why so far out? I explain that it's usually done to secure 2x or 4x premium cabin seats together on the same flights, usually on a top alliance partner carrier.

Seems odd to me that, out of the blue, a spring trip to Europe would suddenly be tough to get....unless a systemic change was made. There are too many flights, too many routes, you'd see the seats steadily disappearing over time perhaps, but not all at once.

cova Jul 13, 2021 9:16 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 33403401)
I could go both ways on this. Whenever I book a trip 330 days in advance, people think I'm crazy. Why so far out? I explain that it's usually done to secure 2x or 4x premium cabin seats together on the same flights, usually on a top alliance partner carrier.

Seems odd to me that, out of the blue, a spring trip to Europe would suddenly be tough to get....unless a systemic change was made. There are too many flights, too many routes, you'd see the seats steadily disappearing over time perhaps, but not all at once.

AA is limited - most destinations go through LHR and the connecting segment is on BA.
I have seen the same on UA - at EOS - certain flights were available for reward, now they are not. Again I am only looking for business class. Travel on AC has good availability now - but I don't think you can travel through Canada right now.

I generally book all of my reward travel 330 days out - to get flights - particularly true for partners. AA might release more seats later, but the partners usually don't unless right at the end. UA is good for opening seats later - say a month before - and you can always change to a better flight if you want.

There is no harm to book in advance. On AA - if you make a change - you have to cancel the reservation and rebook. But there is no fee or penalty to cancel reward travel now - even for non-Elites. But if a roundtrip you lose both directions -- so for AA it is always best to book oneway reward ticket now.

UA is better in that you can modify each flight destination - separately and retain the unchanged flight and the number of miles paid for that. The UA booking is so much more flexible than AA.

pinniped Jul 13, 2021 9:49 am

Will the UA site let you book the AC connections? There certainly won't be any problem with that connection in mid-2022. I've only flown AC in J a couple times and it was a pretty good experience.

Star Alliance definitely gives you more total options to Europe thanks to having multiple big partners and multiple hubs on the continent. I've long wished that Iberia had more award possibilities, but I never seem to be able to route anything through MAD. It's always LHR.

brittex Jul 13, 2021 12:00 pm

What is also frustrating is that AA.com will often give different/more options at lower points values depending on whether you are logged in or not. I have now gotten into the habit of clearing my browser cache before searching. Just yesterday this resulted in a 3k miles saving

PHL Jul 13, 2021 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by sktn77a (Post 33391922)
In March, I flew across country. 50,000 first class round trip. Plenty of options in terms of available flights. Today I tried to book the same flights. Plenty of options in terms of available flight but the price went up to 100,000 miles. .... Time to dump the American and its DIS-AAdvantage program after over 40 years!

A 3 million mile program member.

Did you do a mock award booking for the same trip on UA or DL? You'll likely find that the AA redemption rate isn't much different. Maybe even better...The grass is rarely greener.....

wanaflyforless Jul 13, 2021 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 33403924)
Star Alliance definitely gives you more total options to Europe thanks to having multiple big partners and multiple hubs on the continent.

Maybe I'm just disloyal but to me, it never made sense to try and stick with one FF program.

Lots of variables but in general, I prefer Star Alliance miles to Europe and Africa but One World miles to Asia and Australia.

For domestic travel, American miles have been by far the most useful in recent years.

(I also keep on trying to use my Turkish miles to fly United due to the amazing value of 12,500 miles each way in first but United has almost never had availability for 3 people in saver first over the past year, booking way out, while American almost always has, with some flexibility.)

pinniped Jul 13, 2021 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by wanaflyforless (Post 33404668)
Maybe I'm just disloyal but to me, it never made sense to try and stick with one FF program.

Lots of variables but in general, I prefer Star Alliance miles to Europe and Africa but One World miles to Asia and Australia.

For domestic travel, American miles have been by far the most useful in recent years.

(I also keep on trying to use my Turkish miles to fly United due to the amazing value of 12,500 miles each way in first but United has almost never had availability for 3 people in saver first over the past year, booking way out, while American almost always has, with some flexibility.)

Yeah, I'm mostly the same. My regular business travels over the years have bounced back and forth between UA and AA, so I've had one foot in both for a long time. That's been my primary pattern as well - always start TPAC searches with OW, TATL searches with *A, and that's what I end up booking. Main exception has been when I've accumulated BA Avios - I use those for Ireland on EI metal.

In terms of oddball *A miles, I still have some A3 (Aegean) from back when I used that to pick up easy Star Gold status. I've never redeemed any of those miles...but now have enough to for a few domestic hops. (Athens to/from islands. Looks like 1.5 cpm, which is probably as good as I can expect on a smallish amount of miles.)

gcsmith Jul 13, 2021 8:50 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 33403401)
I could go both ways on this. Whenever I book a trip 330 days in advance, people think I'm crazy. Why so far out? I explain that it's usually done to secure 2x or 4x premium cabin seats together on the same flights, usually on a top alliance partner carrier.

Seems odd to me that, out of the blue, a spring trip to Europe would suddenly be tough to get....unless a systemic change was made. There are too many flights, too many routes, you'd see the seats steadily disappearing over time perhaps, but not all at once.

TUS-DUB was wide open in business May and the EOS in June. Wide open - for 4 seats 50% of the days. I watched it every day as I wanted to 'walk' my hold out a few days to a week. Overnight every one of those seats are gone. When I could throw a dart and get 4 seats at 57.5k each now there are two days at 110k and the rest much higher. This was a total pull back of inventory. I'm happy I booked the tickets I did at the time I did.

So I got creative. What does ORD-DUB, DFW-DUB, CLT-DUB look like? All high mile tickets. DFW-DUB has some BA tickets at 57.5k but for some reason they can't be combined with the AA saver domestic tickets to get to DFW. The domestic flights (TUS-DFW, TUS-CLT) still have plenty of milesaver inventory. I didn't imagine this and no, overnight we didn't get hundreds of people that booked up all AA metal saver inventory. I can live with the tickets I have, but I've been flying AA 20+ years and never seen all saver inventory disappear overnight for an entire month block. I expected to see new inventory (even 1 seat) open up at EOS.

Did a little more searching. Not one ORD-CDG business for under 135k May / June. JFK-CDG 135k+ May/June. JFK-LHR is wide open with 57.5k tickets ... so it isn't all inventory but if any route has discount tickets I guess it would be that one with how many planes fly. I'm not going to bother with every route, but it seems one day schedule was kind of normal for 330 days out and then someone realized they were running the old algorithm and fixed it.


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