Flagship Lounges and Flagship First Dining to start reopening September 2021
Aug 25, 2021, 2:47 pm
#106
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it’s technically not part of Ow rules (where you need an onward ticket) Its part of the special AA rules where you can access upon arrival. It’s just was the normal and an after thought landing @ JFK and going to FFD. But lately w some bad MIA employees during Covid I would like to have it in writing. Lax/Mia just not treated the same as Jfk. Ppl at Mia don’t even know what a 77W is and so often that Flickr doesn’t even have amenities
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Aug 25, 2021, 7:55 pm
#107
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Just trying to be extra extra prepared for early October at MIA with FFD upon arrival. Just bumping down my question from yesterday. Has anyone seen anywhere on AA where it actually says you can get in upon arrival. AT JFK with so many Transcons per day for so long they understand but I worry at MIA given their lounge agents history there and especially during Covid where nobody knew what a 77W was and had no idea about the special rule for that. I''d love to have something from online ready to goo on my phone showing upon aririval gets you in to FFD esepcially..
If you were an international arrival with no onward ticket, no. You would have no way to access it.
Aug 25, 2021, 9:30 pm
#109
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[QUOTE=Global321;33519871]FFD on arrival from a transcon - no problem.
For sure! Just hoping no issues coming off of it being closed for Covid, maybe new employees and the usual lacking knowledge Mia staff. Just want it to go smoothly hence why i was trying to find something in writing on AA that says upon arrival for FFD but it doesnt seem to exist.
For sure! Just hoping no issues coming off of it being closed for Covid, maybe new employees and the usual lacking knowledge Mia staff. Just want it to go smoothly hence why i was trying to find something in writing on AA that says upon arrival for FFD but it doesnt seem to exist.
Aug 25, 2021, 9:31 pm
#110
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Aug 25, 2021, 9:32 pm
#111
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Regarding FL at least, I've been on a Oneworld international arrival with a non-Oneworld onward ticket, so could physically access the FL, and was admitted with no problem using my arrival BP (not even a "How the heck did you get airside?"). I suspect the same would apply for FFD if arriving in AA Flagship F. Access on arrival is allowed in the logic, so the only barrier is physical access (TSA).
Aug 25, 2021, 9:47 pm
#112
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Regarding FL at least, I've been on a Oneworld international arrival with a non-Oneworld onward ticket, so could physically access the FL, and was admitted with no problem using my arrival BP (not even a "How the heck did you get airside?"). I suspect the same would apply for FFD if arriving in AA Flagship F. Access on arrival is allowed in the logic, so the only barrier is physical access (TSA).
Aug 26, 2021, 8:42 am
#113
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To reiterate: Flagship First dining is opening in JFK and MIA in Sept
Projected reopening schedule:
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) Terminal 8
Flagship Lounge: Sept. 14
Flagship First Dining: Sept. 16
Miami International Airport (MIA) Concourse D
Flagship Lounge: Sept. 28
Flagship First Dining: Sept. 30
Projected reopening schedule:
John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK) Terminal 8
Flagship Lounge: Sept. 14
Flagship First Dining: Sept. 16
Miami International Airport (MIA) Concourse D
Flagship Lounge: Sept. 28
Flagship First Dining: Sept. 30
Aug 26, 2021, 6:45 pm
#114
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Well we went through MIA GE and TSA on AA in June and it was almost the worst experience at an airport in the last 10 years. TSA was a super spreader event. Avoid MIA AA to the best of your ability.
Last edited by boerne; Aug 27, 2021 at 5:39 am Reason: spelling
Aug 27, 2021, 5:11 am
#115
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That's my. understanding as well. When you use a lounge under oneWorld access rules, whoever is the operating carrier of the flight pays the lounge operator for the visit. I guess AA is happy to take their money and provide a less than stellar premium experience, and the other airlines don't care.
Aug 27, 2021, 7:13 am
#116
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I believe it is the Marketing OW partner that pays for access, as the ticket they scan for access will be in their name. This is of course for access based on COS access (J or F). If access is based on OWS or OWE status, then it is the OW FF Program membership granter that is going to pay for the access (i.e. a BA Gold flying purely on AA metal domestically, BA will pay AA).
Aug 27, 2021, 7:45 am
#117
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I have no insider knowledge, but my belief is that oneworld operates on an operating carrier pays model, for both class of service and frequent flyer status. That's why EXPs connecting from INTL to AA domestic get turned away from the QF lounge LAX -- the dragons have said "AA doesn't want to pay for you".
Aug 27, 2021, 10:48 am
#118
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Aug 27, 2021, 11:27 am
#120
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I have no insider knowledge, but my belief is that oneworld operates on an operating carrier pays model, for both class of service and frequent flyer status. That's why EXPs connecting from INTL to AA domestic get turned away from the QF lounge LAX -- the dragons have said "AA doesn't want to pay for you".