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Old Mar 21, 21, 2:20 am
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First or business?

I’m flying from Brazil to Sacramento. I usually do United Polaris. But will be taking aa this time. I can do MAO MIA LAX PHX SMF in business. 777 across the country. Or go up to JFK via MIA and take transcon first to SFO rent a car and drive to my destination. Is it worth transcon F these days or shouldn’t be happy with the 777 J and a quick backtrack through PHX with less driving?

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Old Mar 21, 21, 6:26 am
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Originally Posted by ryan754 View Post
Iím flying from Brazil to Sacramento. I usually do United Polaris. But will be taking aa this time. I can do MOA MIA LAX PHX SMF in business. 777 across the country. Or go up to JFK via MIA and take transcon first to SFO rent a car and drive to my destination. Is it worth transcon F these days or shouldnít be happy with the 777 J and a quick backtrack through PHX with less driving?
MOA is in Cuba?

In any event, no way in he*l I'd fly all the way up to JFK for the sole purpose of getting 321T F on JFK-SFO and then still have a 2 hr drive in a rental car to Sacramento. FD is closed, and for all intents and purposes the 321T F seat is very similar to the the 772 J seat.

Not even sure why the flight to LAX then PHX then SMF?

Brazil-MIA-DFW-SMF would be my choice all day long (assuming you can't fly straight from wherever you're starting from in Brazil to DFW). Flying just isn't that much fun these days to be going out of your way to get on any flight.
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Old Mar 21, 21, 6:50 am
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Why not take a direct flight from MIA to SFO?
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Old Mar 21, 21, 7:16 am
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To begin, I would fly in any class of service to avoid extra segments and flying in the wrong direction followed by a drive after a lengthy series of flights. During the pandemic, the most direct routing will almost always be the best. Constant changes and cancellations can leave you stranded where you don't want to be and service differentials are minimal.

On the AA TCON, the F hard product will be a step up on J, but the soft product, e.g. meal is the same. No FL or FFD so that bit it out too.
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
On the AA TCON, the F hard product will be a step up on J, but the soft product, e.g. meal is the same. No FL or FFD so that bit it out too.
To be fair, the F soft product is still slightly better than J with the Flagship First wine list still in existence. Even pre-COVID, the meal service was nearly identical between transcon Flagship J and F.

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Old Mar 21, 21, 8:23 am
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To be fair, the F soft product is still slightly better than J with the Flagship First wine list still in existence. Even pre-COVID, the meal service was nearly identical between transcon Flagship J and F.

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Originally Posted by JJeffrey View Post
MOA is in Cuba?

In any event, no way in he*l I'd fly all the way up to JFK for the sole purpose of getting 321T F on JFK-SFO and then still have a 2 hr drive in a rental car to Sacramento. FD is closed, and for all intents and purposes the 321T F seat is very similar to the the 772 J seat.

Not even sure why the flight to LAX then PHX then SMF?

Brazil-MIA-DFW-SMF would be my choice all day long (assuming you can't fly straight from wherever you're starting from in Brazil to DFW). Flying just isn't that much fun these days to be going out of your way to get on any flight.
Sorry I meant MAO (Manaus)

I guess the connection in PHX is cause they no longer fly LAX/SMF. I'm going to be exhausted when I reach Miami. The 6 hour flight form the Amazon is on a 737. So I like the idea of a bed transcon. I think you are right on skipping JFK, and the drive home.
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Old Mar 21, 21, 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by boboqui View Post
Why not take a direct flight from MIA to SFO?
It's a narrow body plane. I'm taking a 6 hour redeye on a narrow body after a long day. Which includes a redeye the night before. I'd like my transcon in a lie flat. Especially if I will forgo SMF and fly into SFO
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MAO-MIA-LAX-SFO isn't possible? As you pointed out, the red-eye between MAO and MIA will be brutal, especially since it's on the MAX. Of the two choices given, I'd prefer to get in a flat bed seat ASAP and grab some decent shut-eye, rather than tacking on another standard recliner for a MIA-JFK leg. TBH, I'd back-track at the beginning of the journey and make my way from MAO to GRU or GIG, then take my red-eye Brazil-USA, but there are probably considerations not obvious to us mandating MAO to MIA.
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Old Mar 21, 21, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Catbert10 View Post
MAO-MIA-LAX-SFO isn't possible? As you pointed out, the red-eye between MAO and MIA will be brutal, especially since it's on the MAX. Of the two choices given, I'd prefer to get in a flat bed seat ASAP and grab some decent shut-eye, rather than tacking on another standard recliner for a MIA-JFK leg. TBH, I'd back-track at the beginning of the journey and make my way from MAO to GRU or GIG, then take my red-eye Brazil-USA, but there are probably considerations not obvious to us mandating MAO to MIA.
That's a gigantic backtrack, MAO-GRU/GIG is 4 hours in itself, and the wrong direction. That plus Brazil domestic flights are Y only. In the OP's case I'd almost certainly just take AA to MIA. The only way I'd consider that is if the 787 GRU-LAX AA flight is still operational (but somehow think it's not).
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Originally Posted by ryan754 View Post
Sorry I meant MAO (Manaus)

I guess the connection in PHX is cause they no longer fly LAX/SMF. I'm going to be exhausted when I reach Miami. The 6 hour flight form the Amazon is on a 737. So I like the idea of a bed transcon. I think you are right on skipping JFK, and the drive home.
I get wanting a 777 for the transcon, however in this case any added comfort will be greatly offset by having to backtrack from LAX to PHX to SMF with 2 additional narrowbody flights and getting home 6 later than if you'd just taken the most direct routing.

MAO-MIA-PHX-SMF is a 3pm arrival in about 17 hrs travel time, while going through LAX and PHX means a 9pm arrival and 23 hrs of travel time.

That just seems silly.
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Originally Posted by boboqui View Post
Why not take a direct flight from MIA to SFO?
Originally Posted by ryan754 View Post
It's a narrow body plane. I'm taking a 6 hour redeye on a narrow body after a long day. Which includes a redeye the night before. I'd like my transcon in a lie flat. Especially if I will forgo SMF and fly into SFO
This always seemed like a horrid flight on a narrow body. Iíve avoided it in the past. Really hope that AA someday brings back a wide body on this route that they used to have for years.

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MAO-MIA-LAX-SFO isn't possible?
This is what I would also go with, although AA has cut LAX-SFO frequencies to the point where connections arenít always convenient.

If OP really needed to fly to SMF, Iíd consider just booking AA to LAX and getting to SMF on DL/UA/WN on separate ticket.

Doing LAX-PHX-SMF at the end of that itinerary doesnít sound appealing at all.
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Old Mar 21, 21, 6:13 pm
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I think I came to a conclusion. Iíll end my trip in Reno. Grab a comped room at a casino. Take a leisurely drive home the next morning. Will be a transcon 777 to LAX. Quick hop to RNO in a RJ. Couple cocktails at GSR. A nice sleep and a beautiful drive through the mountains the next day. Thatís Brazilian beaches, Amazon Rain Forest, and Sierra Nevada mountains in a three day span. Not so bad (except for the fact that Iíll be babysitting my sisters two year olds twins a few days once I get home)
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Originally Posted by FlyerBeek View Post
To be fair, the F soft product is still slightly better than J with the Flagship First wine list still in existence. Even pre-COVID, the meal service was nearly identical between transcon Flagship J and F.

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In theory, yes, but in reality AA often doesn't load the F wine lists. Even simple items like the proper F/J duvets, AA erroneously substitutes for the PE blanket a lot of the time on MIA LAX flights.
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