Reduction/Schedule Changes in Premium Transcontinental Flights Starting Nov 2020
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The A321T's come back in December, allegedly, I for one don't mind ithe reduced schedule operated by 772, but AA needs to add an additional afternoon flight from JFK and LAX . Forcing people to take a red eye from the west coast is a non starter. 3 times a day ( morning, afternoon, evening / red eye) would work with the larger aircraft, I mean is there really a difference between at 2pm flight and a 3pm flight?
I don't think AA has finalized their December schedule yet, so don't be surprised if the A321T stays confined to JFK-SFO.
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Business travelers spend a lot more than leisure travelers, so it kind of does make business sense to focus on them first. Post-US merger, AA did make a separate decision to make lower-cost PHL the connecting hub for leisure travelers in the same geographical area, which has led to their NYC presence catering to O/D passengers, of which the highest yielding are business travelers, so that's how they plan their routes out of NYC. This strategy did not seem to work amazingly well, given how ignoring the highest population metropolitan area in the US is usually bad business sense, so they struck the jetBlue deal, which remains to be seen how it works / how long it lasts.
From JFK, AA currently only operates to Charlotte, Los Angeles, Miami, Phoenix, San Fransisco and that's all. Their international service from JFK is limited to Cancun and London for the moment.
This means that unfortunately, AA is not providing a wide O<-->D network from NYC and relying on connecting passengers for many destinations. I guess that the NY quarantine has a huge effect on this. I am hopeful about the jetBlue deal but with the current climate that we haven't heard anything further for 2 months, I doubt that an update on that would come in the near future.
Yes, the December schedule is planned to be finalized on 31 October or 7 November.
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A little more guesstimation on AA LAX-JFK demand, but AA did (does?) have many of the entertainment contracts, and these flights I would regularly see award-winning actors. I think in many of the recent union contracts, business fare tickets remained, but there was less obligation for first class seating (although a person could always pay the difference on their own). Still, there are so many other industry changes that have occurred:
-Those who would fly first may have more often resorted to private charter flights where all occupants can be frequently tested and reduce any type of production-required quarantine.
-Production-required (not city required) quarantines do not allow the actors or below the line staff to "go home" for weekend breaks or leave their designated hotels, they have to stay with the production and just churn through the episodes to avoid re-quarantines.
-When possible, production may have moved to other locales (Shark Tank to Las Vegas instead of Los Angeles, less stringent ATL or ongoing use of Vancouver) or frankly, just had their show delayed further or cancelled.
-Further, on-site production crew have been reduced as much as possible because if someone can do their episode work from home or a local office, they are going to do so.
I know there are many other industries beyond entertainment, but I don't think anyone would deny the correlation of the unique premium services on the LAX-JFK routes (from club dining to onboard) and some of the unique passenger demands on those routes that used to exist.
-Those who would fly first may have more often resorted to private charter flights where all occupants can be frequently tested and reduce any type of production-required quarantine.
-Production-required (not city required) quarantines do not allow the actors or below the line staff to "go home" for weekend breaks or leave their designated hotels, they have to stay with the production and just churn through the episodes to avoid re-quarantines.
-When possible, production may have moved to other locales (Shark Tank to Las Vegas instead of Los Angeles, less stringent ATL or ongoing use of Vancouver) or frankly, just had their show delayed further or cancelled.
-Further, on-site production crew have been reduced as much as possible because if someone can do their episode work from home or a local office, they are going to do so.
I know there are many other industries beyond entertainment, but I don't think anyone would deny the correlation of the unique premium services on the LAX-JFK routes (from club dining to onboard) and some of the unique passenger demands on those routes that used to exist.
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As also mentioned in the Flagship Business/Flagship First differentiation thread, the 777-300ER service for December and onwards is gone and the 777-300ER flight is replaced by the 787-8.
The double daily 3 cabin 777-300ER service is scheduled to continue until 30 November 2020.
Starting from 1 December 2020, AA does not plan to operate both their Flagship Business and Flagship First product on the LAX-MIA route. All wide-body services would have Domestic First service rather than the Flagship service.
Currently, for 1 December 2020 and onwards, both Flagship Business and Flagship First is unbookable on the LAX-MIA route.
Further changes are highly likely and this information should be 100% verified when AA releases their December schedule on 31 October or 7 November.
The double daily 3 cabin 777-300ER service is scheduled to continue until 30 November 2020.
Starting from 1 December 2020, AA does not plan to operate both their Flagship Business and Flagship First product on the LAX-MIA route. All wide-body services would have Domestic First service rather than the Flagship service.
Currently, for 1 December 2020 and onwards, both Flagship Business and Flagship First is unbookable on the LAX-MIA route.
Further changes are highly likely and this information should be 100% verified when AA releases their December schedule on 31 October or 7 November.
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As also mentioned in the Flagship Business/Flagship First differentiation thread, the 777-300ER service for December and onwards is gone and the 777-300ER flight is replaced by the 787-8.
The double daily 3 cabin 777-300ER service is scheduled to continue until 30 November 2020.
Starting from 1 December 2020, AA does not plan to operate both their Flagship Business and Flagship First product on the LAX-MIA route. All wide-body services would have Domestic First service rather than the Flagship service.
Currently, for 1 December 2020 and onwards, both Flagship Business and Flagship First is unbookable on the LAX-MIA route.
Further changes are highly likely and this information should be 100% verified when AA releases their December schedule on 31 October or 7 November.
The double daily 3 cabin 777-300ER service is scheduled to continue until 30 November 2020.
Starting from 1 December 2020, AA does not plan to operate both their Flagship Business and Flagship First product on the LAX-MIA route. All wide-body services would have Domestic First service rather than the Flagship service.
Currently, for 1 December 2020 and onwards, both Flagship Business and Flagship First is unbookable on the LAX-MIA route.
Further changes are highly likely and this information should be 100% verified when AA releases their December schedule on 31 October or 7 November.
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I wouldn't also be surprised if they re-stored their 777-300ER services on this route; although, I guess that last time, they didn't remove Flagship First inventory for the entire future. If I'm wrong please correct me.
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United has released their schedule update for 1 December 2020 and 4 January 2021 moments ago.
American would follow this night ( in one of the US time zones ) and I would be reporting the changes in transcontinental flights over here when they are available.
American would follow this night ( in one of the US time zones ) and I would be reporting the changes in transcontinental flights over here when they are available.
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It looks like the changes for December have begun loading. JFK-LAX seems to be down to 2x/day, both on the 772. Same as November.
Not sure if it's just the days I am looking at, but MIA-LAX seems to be 5x day; 3 772, 1 77W and 1 321.
Not sure if it's just the days I am looking at, but MIA-LAX seems to be 5x day; 3 772, 1 77W and 1 321.
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Both AA.com and ITA Matrix are showing the unupdated schedule.
Edit: Expertflyer has the new schedule.
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Current status as 01:46 GMT
As an overview, we would see similar schedules compared to November in the December schedule update. JFK-LAX would not have Flagship First service, MIA-LAX would have two daily 777-300ER flights.
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JFK-LAX
2 daily 777-200ER service similar to November;
AA 1 JFK LAX 09:00 12:21 77E
AA 3 JFK LAX 18:10 21:29 77E
AA 2 LAX JFK 08:30 16:47 77E
AA 4 LAX JFK 21:35 05:45+1 77E
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
JFK-SFO
1 daily service similar to November. The SFO departure remains as a red-eye flight.
AA 76 JFK SFO 07:30 11:22 A321T
AA 276 SFO JFK 21:36 06:00+1 A321T
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
MIA-LAX
2 777-300ER services and 3 A321 services would operate similar to November. Flagship First and Flagship Business service would return for December.
AA 1782 LAX MIA 00:10 07:50 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 09:00 16:44 77W
AA 1235 MIA LAX 15:30 18:09 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:22 22:05 77W
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
As an overview, we would see similar schedules compared to November in the December schedule update. JFK-LAX would not have Flagship First service, MIA-LAX would have two daily 777-300ER flights.
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JFK-LAX
2 daily 777-200ER service similar to November;
AA 1 JFK LAX 09:00 12:21 77E
AA 3 JFK LAX 18:10 21:29 77E
AA 2 LAX JFK 08:30 16:47 77E
AA 4 LAX JFK 21:35 05:45+1 77E
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
JFK-SFO
1 daily service similar to November. The SFO departure remains as a red-eye flight.
AA 76 JFK SFO 07:30 11:22 A321T
AA 276 SFO JFK 21:36 06:00+1 A321T
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
MIA-LAX
2 777-300ER services and 3 A321 services would operate similar to November. Flagship First and Flagship Business service would return for December.
AA 1782 LAX MIA 00:10 07:50 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 09:00 16:44 77W
AA 1235 MIA LAX 15:30 18:09 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:22 22:05 77W
* Some dates might have slightly different schedules. +/- 10 minutes
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UPDATE:
JFK-SFO is now x6 weekly on December rather than a daily.
There would be no Saturday departures both from New York and San Fransisco on this route.
After 17 December 2020, the 777-300ER schedule for LAX-MIA is like the following; LAX-MIA has 2 scheduled 777-300ER services, though MIA-LAX has only one.
AA 369 LAX MIA 08:45 16:38 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 10:00 17:50 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:05 21:45 77W
For the majority ofNovember December, the Flagship First inventory for 777-300ER flights on this route is zeroed at the moment.
Further updates likely and would be shared.
Edit: Bold part
JFK-SFO is now x6 weekly on December rather than a daily.
There would be no Saturday departures both from New York and San Fransisco on this route.
After 17 December 2020, the 777-300ER schedule for LAX-MIA is like the following; LAX-MIA has 2 scheduled 777-300ER services, though MIA-LAX has only one.
AA 369 LAX MIA 08:45 16:38 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 10:00 17:50 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:05 21:45 77W
For the majority of
Further updates likely and would be shared.
Edit: Bold part
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UPDATE:
JFK-SFO is now x6 weekly on December rather than a daily.
There would be no Saturday departures both from New York and San Fransisco on this route.
After 17 December 2020, the 777-300ER schedule for LAX-MIA is like the following; LAX-MIA has 2 scheduled 777-300ER services, though MIA-LAX has only one.
AA 369 LAX MIA 08:45 16:38 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 10:00 17:50 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:05 21:45 77W
For the majority of November, the Flagship First inventory for 777-300ER flights on this route is zeroed at the moment.
Further updates likely and would be shared.
JFK-SFO is now x6 weekly on December rather than a daily.
There would be no Saturday departures both from New York and San Fransisco on this route.
After 17 December 2020, the 777-300ER schedule for LAX-MIA is like the following; LAX-MIA has 2 scheduled 777-300ER services, though MIA-LAX has only one.
AA 369 LAX MIA 08:45 16:38 77W
AA 1473 LAX MIA 10:00 17:50 77W
AA 2289 MIA LAX 19:05 21:45 77W
For the majority of November, the Flagship First inventory for 777-300ER flights on this route is zeroed at the moment.
Further updates likely and would be shared.
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