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idyllwildjoe May 5, 2020 2:54 am

Which CX space can AA pull from? (Trying to preserve upgrade)
 
Hi folks,
My original June 23 AA flight from HKG-LAX was cancelled, and AA subsequently put me on a CX flight that was then also cancelled. I'm trying to rebook on another CX flight, but having a hard time finding business class availability on the few CX flights that remain. I found a flight on June 16 that's J8/C8/D9, but AA says there's no business space available (I'm told they only see the U space CX releases?). In fact none of the CX flights in June seem to have any U space, although there are plenty of seats available. Is there any way AA can access business seats in another fare class? Thx for any help.

fotographer May 5, 2020 3:25 am

Was this an award booking or a cash booking.?
if you final destination LAX? if not maybe AA can find you another routing.. may not be the best, but will get you to where you need to go, plus a few connections.

idyllwildjoe May 5, 2020 3:32 am


Originally Posted by fotographer (Post 32349667)
Was this an award booking or a cash booking.?
if you final destination LAX? if not maybe AA can find you another routing.. may not be the best, but will get you to where you need to go, plus a few connections.

Good questions. Yep, my final destination is LA. It was originally booked on AA as an economy ticket with a miles/copay upgrade to business. When the AA flight was cancelled they protected me in business on a CX flight. That CX flight was cancelled, so I'm looking for another one.

fotographer May 5, 2020 3:40 am

nice to see AA try to find you J inventory... I think for now , since your flight is in June, just keep checking with AA
hopefully by the time you are ready to fly.. there may be something for you.
worst case, is that you will be in Y.... again, if you want to stay in J (which of course I fully understand), you might want to see other routing, DFW comes to mind,
(sorry not sure if AA is still flying into DFW ,)

idyllwildjoe May 5, 2020 4:28 am

Thanks for the input. I'll hold tight for now and see if something opens up.

fotographer May 5, 2020 7:39 am

best of luck

JDiver May 5, 2020 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by idyllwildjoe (Post 32349748)
Thanks for the input. I'll hold tight for now and see if something opens up.

Heres something to consider, assuming transit is allowed in Japan.

Japan Airlines is a Joint Business Agreement partner with AA, and AA can more easily preserve your upgrade using JL and AA than with CX, which is t a JBA partner. Only you can decide which is more important to you - returning expeditiously, or in Business Class.

KVS May 5, 2020 3:31 pm

The closest date with U Availability is 01 Jul:

[KVS Tool 9.8.2/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:

HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
WED  01 Jul 2020

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
CX        880    HKG  00:05    LAX  22:45 -1  77W  0  CS1
CX        157    HKG  13:10    BNE  23:35    359  0  YS9
 -> QF    15      BNE  10:00 +1  LAX  06:00 +1  789  0  YS9
QF        98      HKG  19:25    BNE  06:10 +1  332  0  YS5
 -> QF    15      BNE  10:00 +1  LAX  06:00 +1  789  0  YS5
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    16      HND  17:00    LAX  11:15    773  0  CS3  WS9  YS9
CX        548    HKG  08:45    HND  13:55    77W  0  CS3
 -> JL    16      HND  17:00    LAX  11:15    773  0  CS3  WS9  YS9
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    1      JFK  08:00    LAX  11:07    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    3      JFK  12:00    LAX  14:59    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    302    JFK  18:00    LAX  21:12    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        830    HKG  09:05    JFK  13:10    77W  0  YS9
 -> AA    302    JFK  18:00    LAX  21:12    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    283    LHR  09:55    LAX  13:05    744  0  WS5  YS9
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    281    LHR  11:35    LAX  14:45    777  0  WS5  YS7
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    269    LHR  16:15    LAX  19:20    744  0  CS5  WS9  YS9
CX        135    HKG  19:05    MEL  06:10 +1  359  0  YS9
 -> QF    93      MEL  09:00 +1  LAX  06:25 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        526    HKG  08:10    NRT  13:40    333  0  CS3
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  YS9
CX        504    HKG  09:05    NRT  14:30    773  0  CS3
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  YS9
JL        736    HKG  10:40    NRT  16:05    788  0  CS0  YS0
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  CS0  YS9
CX        806    HKG  11:30    ORD  13:40    351  0  CS1  YS9
 -> AA    2364    ORD  17:24    LAX  19:49    321  0  FS7  YS7
CX        139    HKG  09:10    SYD  20:20    77W  0  CS3  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        111    HKG  18:50    SYD  06:15 +1  359  0  CS1  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
QF        128    HKG  19:30    SYD  06:40 +1  789  0  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    113    HND  10:30    ITM  11:35    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    225    HND  12:45    KIX  14:10    73H  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    117    HND  12:30    ITM  13:30    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    115    HND  11:30    ITM  12:35    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
KA        802    HKG  07:25    PVG  10:10    321  0  CS1  YS9
 -> JL    894    PVG  13:15    KIX  16:45    73H  0  CS5  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9


idyllwildjoe May 5, 2020 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by JDiver (Post 32351433)
Heres something to consider, assuming transit is allowed in Japan.

Japan Airlines is a Joint Business Agreement partner with AA, and AA can more easily preserve your upgrade using JL and AA than with CX, which is t a JBA partner. Only you can decide which is more important to you - returning expeditiously, or in Business Class.

Thanks for this. Yep, I was looking at the possibility of transiting through Japan. I know Japan's not allowing foreigners entry right now, but I can't seem to find a clear statement about whether or not international/international transfers are allowed? I'm guessing not. You're right about the ultimate choice: if nothing opens up soon I'll just bite the bullet and fly Y. Getting back is more important than comfort/lack thereof.

idyllwildjoe May 5, 2020 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 32351457)
The closest date with U Availability is 01 Jul:

[KVS Tool 9.8.2/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:

HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
WED  01 Jul 2020

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
CX        880    HKG  00:05    LAX  22:45 -1  77W  0  CS1
CX        157    HKG  13:10    BNE  23:35    359  0  YS9
 -> QF    15      BNE  10:00 +1  LAX  06:00 +1  789  0  YS9
QF        98      HKG  19:25    BNE  06:10 +1  332  0  YS5
 -> QF    15      BNE  10:00 +1  LAX  06:00 +1  789  0  YS5
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    16      HND  17:00    LAX  11:15    773  0  CS3  WS9  YS9
CX        548    HKG  08:45    HND  13:55    77W  0  CS3
 -> JL    16      HND  17:00    LAX  11:15    773  0  CS3  WS9  YS9
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    1      JFK  08:00    LAX  11:07    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    3      JFK  12:00    LAX  14:59    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        844    HKG  02:00    JFK  06:00    77W  0  YS7
 -> AA    302    JFK  18:00    LAX  21:12    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        830    HKG  09:05    JFK  13:10    77W  0  YS9
 -> AA    302    JFK  18:00    LAX  21:12    32B  0  CS7  YS7
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    283    LHR  09:55    LAX  13:05    744  0  WS5  YS9
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    281    LHR  11:35    LAX  14:45    777  0  WS5  YS7
CX        343    HKG  00:55    LGW  06:40    359  0  YS5
 -> BA    269    LHR  16:15    LAX  19:20    744  0  CS5  WS9  YS9
CX        135    HKG  19:05    MEL  06:10 +1  359  0  YS9
 -> QF    93      MEL  09:00 +1  LAX  06:25 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        526    HKG  08:10    NRT  13:40    333  0  CS3
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  YS9
CX        504    HKG  09:05    NRT  14:30    773  0  CS3
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  YS9
JL        736    HKG  10:40    NRT  16:05    788  0  CS0  YS0
 -> JL    62      NRT  17:20    LAX  11:40    788  0  CS0  YS9
CX        806    HKG  11:30    ORD  13:40    351  0  CS1  YS9
 -> AA    2364    ORD  17:24    LAX  19:49    321  0  FS7  YS7
CX        139    HKG  09:10    SYD  20:20    77W  0  CS3  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        111    HKG  18:50    SYD  06:15 +1  359  0  CS1  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
QF        128    HKG  19:30    SYD  06:40 +1  789  0  YS9
 -> QF    11      SYD  09:40 +1  LAX  06:20 +1  388  0  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    113    HND  10:30    ITM  11:35    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    225    HND  12:45    KIX  14:10    73H  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    117    HND  12:30    ITM  13:30    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
CX        524    HKG  01:00    NRT  06:30    333  0  CS4
 -> JL    115    HND  11:30    ITM  12:35    788  0  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9
KA        802    HKG  07:25    PVG  10:10    321  0  CS1  YS9
 -> JL    894    PVG  13:15    KIX  16:45    73H  0  CS5  YS9
 -> JL    60      KIX  17:45    LAX  12:35    789  0  CS2  WS9  YS9


Thanks for the info!

shd9 May 5, 2020 11:42 pm

AA cannot book you into U class on CX if this was a revenue ticket and mileage+copay upgrade; they should book into one of the revenue fare classes. It appears when for mileage+copay / SWU upgrades, AA protects into the upgraded cabin. In this case, they should protect you into a revenue fare class (JCDPI). Just give them another call and see what they say.

Djokison May 6, 2020 11:15 am


Originally Posted by shd9 (Post 32352308)
It appears when for mileage+copay / SWU upgrades, AA protects into the upgraded cabin. In this case, they should protect you into a revenue fare class (JCDPI). Just give them another call and see what they say.

Not this far in advance, they don’t.

shd9 May 6, 2020 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 32353573)
Not this far in advance, they don’t.

Maybe I had been lucky then... But anyways, my point is they shouldn't look for the award bucket. If they are not willing to protect in the upgraded cabin, they should rebook in the lowest available coach bucket, or just Y.

JDiver May 6, 2020 5:50 pm


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 32353573)
Not this far in advance, they don’t.

Its more common in IROPS / OSO, but it seems AA has been a bit more open to this at this NCoV time - though as always, it is often easier across JBA airlines.

idyllwildjoe May 6, 2020 7:03 pm

Thanks for the thoughts, everyone! I'm afraid the conversation might be above my head at this point.:) The mention of JBA airlines--is that referring to joint ventures, like JAL, etc.? I guess CX is not that, but just a oneworld partner? I'll give AA another call and see what they say. Any tips on what to say when the frontline agent says "there's no space available" even though I know there are plenty of seats left in J/C/D?

Again thx for the input.


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