AA made us repurchase our tickets. Refusing to refund. Options?
#16
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As an IT person who has spent 20 years building interfaces between systems, this smells like an interface issue where the updates didn't transfer properly to FJ's systems. I wouldn't necessarily assume the AA agent made a mistake. I also thought there was a limit to the number of coupons per ticket #, so you may have ended up with two ticket numbers, adding to the confusion. I know when I book a PNR with a lot of segments, I usually end up with multiple tickets under that one PNR.
I think the problem will be that the agent needed to exchange one ticket coupon (i.e. SFO-NAN) to two coupons (SFO-AKL and AKL-NAN). It's a simple enough transaction, but I can see how an agent did a simple two coupons for two sectors exchange.
Given that the FJ agents showed the ticket was exchanged, this is most likely. Now they could have exchanged the remaining two coupons (LAX-ORD-MSN) into three coupons, but this would have diluted their share of the ticket, so I can see why they would have forced you to buy a new one.
(There is a limit of four coupons per ticket, before it becomes a conjunctive ticket, but this wouldn't have been an issued as LAX-NAN and NAN-LAX would be coupons 3 and 4 on this itinerary).
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This is obviously AA's error -- there is very little in dispute here. They reissued a roundtrip ticket into a one-way. And the tickets are thousands of dollars. And now they are refusing to understand, let alone acknowledge the mistake because their customer service operations are laughable.
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I don't think they computed the refund on the unused return, only one coupon (my guess the ORD-MSN coupon due to the amount). There's no way NAN-LAX-CHI-MSN is only worth $29.00.
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My guess is that either it's a nonrefundable ticket and $22 represents tax on the unused portion, perhaps the inbound domestic segments. Alternatively, a RT ticket was changed to a full fare OW ticket in calculating the refund.
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1. Complain on twitter to AA
2. credit card dispute
3. DOT complaint
3. Small claims court
try one. If no luck, move to next step
good luck. BTW doesn’t matter why it happened, fact is it did, and AA needs to make it right
2. credit card dispute
3. DOT complaint
3. Small claims court
try one. If no luck, move to next step
good luck. BTW doesn’t matter why it happened, fact is it did, and AA needs to make it right
#21
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So you went via AKL?
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Does look like AA made a mistake. They should have ticketed you to get back home
Did you pay for NAN-xxxx-MSN?
As you flew a Star Alliance airline you can credit that to UA or whatever ffp.
And claim "original routing credit" from AA for the flight not taken
Brave people not taking travel (medical) insurance. A medical event could have left you at worst penniless.
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Does look like AA made a mistake. They should have ticketed you to get back home
Did you pay for NAN-xxxx-MSN?
As you flew a Star Alliance airline you can credit that to UA or whatever ffp.
And claim "original routing credit" from AA for the flight not taken
Brave people not taking travel (medical) insurance. A medical event could have left you at worst penniless.
It could be. Sometimes the return segments are practically worthless, even though it is a long flight, because the one way itself could be even more expensive than round-trip.
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Could/may be able dispute the original $4000
As OP has been in communication with AA, doubt AA twitter will make any difference. Will access the same AA PNR file as the emails
Will not be easy
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I see what I think is a bunch of really bad advice from one poster here. BUT WHAT FOLLOWS IS JUST MY OPINION, so maybe I am wrong.
My impression is that the OP is very clear and very smart. So I think it is pretty obviously a major mess-up by the AA agent who did the reroute upon mis-connect. The trick here will be to find someone at AA who will take the time to review the actual ticket history, see that it was totally an AA mistake that the passenger could not see/could not prevent, and then find the authority to issue a refund. BUT, this will require someone smart and it will require someone willing to go look for authority, which may or may not be possible.
For the record, I think that travel insurance would NOT have helped here. What coverage is there for buying a new ticket to correct a ticketing error by the carrier? Just because the words "trip interruption" appear in your policy doesn't mean that it covers every time your trip is interrupted - you need to read the fine print.
For the record, I don't think that a DOT complaint is going to give relief in this situation (although, to be fair, if written really clearly it MIGHT be the way to get someone smart, at AA, to review your issue - but there isn't a really great record of that happening from DOT complaints).
I think that small claims might be a GOOD way to address the problem - because that will require someone at AA to review the situation in preparing for court and THEY might be the smart person who will figure out that there really is a problem.
My impression is that the OP is very clear and very smart. So I think it is pretty obviously a major mess-up by the AA agent who did the reroute upon mis-connect. The trick here will be to find someone at AA who will take the time to review the actual ticket history, see that it was totally an AA mistake that the passenger could not see/could not prevent, and then find the authority to issue a refund. BUT, this will require someone smart and it will require someone willing to go look for authority, which may or may not be possible.
For the record, I think that travel insurance would NOT have helped here. What coverage is there for buying a new ticket to correct a ticketing error by the carrier? Just because the words "trip interruption" appear in your policy doesn't mean that it covers every time your trip is interrupted - you need to read the fine print.
For the record, I don't think that a DOT complaint is going to give relief in this situation (although, to be fair, if written really clearly it MIGHT be the way to get someone smart, at AA, to review your issue - but there isn't a really great record of that happening from DOT complaints).
I think that small claims might be a GOOD way to address the problem - because that will require someone at AA to review the situation in preparing for court and THEY might be the smart person who will figure out that there really is a problem.
#24
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I disagree. This sounds like exactly like an AA agent error, not an interface error.
I think the problem will be that the agent needed to exchange one ticket coupon (i.e. SFO-NAN) to two coupons (SFO-AKL and AKL-NAN). It's a simple enough transaction, but I can see how an agent did a simple two coupons for two sectors exchange.
Given that the FJ agents showed the ticket was exchanged, this is most likely. Now they could have exchanged the remaining two coupons (LAX-ORD-MSN) into three coupons, but this would have diluted their share of the ticket, so I can see why they would have forced you to buy a new one.
(There is a limit of four coupons per ticket, before it becomes a conjunctive ticket, but this wouldn't have been an issued as LAX-NAN and NAN-LAX would be coupons 3 and 4 on this itinerary).
I think the problem will be that the agent needed to exchange one ticket coupon (i.e. SFO-NAN) to two coupons (SFO-AKL and AKL-NAN). It's a simple enough transaction, but I can see how an agent did a simple two coupons for two sectors exchange.
Given that the FJ agents showed the ticket was exchanged, this is most likely. Now they could have exchanged the remaining two coupons (LAX-ORD-MSN) into three coupons, but this would have diluted their share of the ticket, so I can see why they would have forced you to buy a new one.
(There is a limit of four coupons per ticket, before it becomes a conjunctive ticket, but this wouldn't have been an issued as LAX-NAN and NAN-LAX would be coupons 3 and 4 on this itinerary).
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For the record, I don't think that a DOT complaint is going to give relief in this situation (although, to be fair, if written really clearly it MIGHT be the way to get someone smart, at AA, to review your issue - but there isn't a really great record of that happening from DOT complaints).
I think that small claims might be a GOOD way to address the problem - because that will require someone at AA to review the situation in preparing for court and THEY might be the smart person who will figure out that there really is a problem.
I think that small claims might be a GOOD way to address the problem - because that will require someone at AA to review the situation in preparing for court and THEY might be the smart person who will figure out that there really is a problem.
if that doesn’t work, file with small claims.
#26
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I am not sure how the $22 refund was computed for the un-flown itinerary. It just might be the CHI-MSN sector, since we didn't fly that one. Our LAX-CHI flight was delayed to the extent that we missed the last flight out of CHI. We therefore decided to rent a car and drive instead of waiting overnight at CHI.
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The ticket needed to be re-issued, re-issued by American Airlines. Not out of the ordinary. Fiji Airways told you to call AA and you did call AA but you didn't wait for AA to answer the phone. Skype is pennies per minute, for reference. AA cannot take responsibility for you choosing to purchase another ticket from Fiji Airways and not addressing the issues with the ticket with AA.
Did you check the itinerary online to confirm no changes or cancellations? Did you arrive at the airport three hours prior to departure for the international flight? Not a fan of anecdotal evidence, but I called AA last week and waited for 3 minutes to speak to a customer service representative. The $22 is a refund of the taxes for the no show flights. The $400 voucher is a gesture of courtesy. For future reference, in the event of irregular operations on the outbound flight call the airline to confirm the ticket is whole prior to arriving at the check in counter.
Did you check the itinerary online to confirm no changes or cancellations? Did you arrive at the airport three hours prior to departure for the international flight? Not a fan of anecdotal evidence, but I called AA last week and waited for 3 minutes to speak to a customer service representative. The $22 is a refund of the taxes for the no show flights. The $400 voucher is a gesture of courtesy. For future reference, in the event of irregular operations on the outbound flight call the airline to confirm the ticket is whole prior to arriving at the check in counter.
#28
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My impression is that the OP is very clear and very smart. So I think it is pretty obviously a major mess-up by the AA agent who did the reroute upon mis-connect. The trick here will be to find someone at AA who will take the time to review the actual ticket history, see that it was totally an AA mistake that the passenger could not see/could not prevent, and then find the authority to issue a refund. BUT, this will require someone smart and it will require someone willing to go look for authority, which may or may not be possible.
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I am not sure how the $22 refund was computed for the un-flown itinerary. It just might be the CHI-MSN sector, since we didn't fly that one. Our LAX-CHI flight was delayed to the extent that we missed the last flight out of CHI. We therefore decided to rent a car and drive instead of waiting overnight at CHI.
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The ticket needed to be re-issued, re-issued by American Airlines. Not out of the ordinary. Fiji Airways told you to call AA and you did call AA but you didn't wait for AA to answer the phone. Skype is pennies per minute, for reference. AA cannot take responsibility for you choosing to purchase another ticket from Fiji Airways and not addressing the issues with the ticket with AA.
Did you check the itinerary online to confirm no changes or cancellations? Did you arrive at the airport three hours prior to departure for the international flight? Not a fan of anecdotal evidence, but I called AA last week and waited for 3 minutes to speak to a customer service representative. The $22 is a refund of the taxes for the no show flights. The $400 voucher is a gesture of courtesy. For future reference, in the event of irregular operations on the outbound flight call the airline to confirm the ticket is whole prior to arriving at the check in counter.
Did you check the itinerary online to confirm no changes or cancellations? Did you arrive at the airport three hours prior to departure for the international flight? Not a fan of anecdotal evidence, but I called AA last week and waited for 3 minutes to speak to a customer service representative. The $22 is a refund of the taxes for the no show flights. The $400 voucher is a gesture of courtesy. For future reference, in the event of irregular operations on the outbound flight call the airline to confirm the ticket is whole prior to arriving at the check in counter.
I think I would have stayed in Fiji, at least for a day, to give AA the chance to fix it and get me home.
And yeah... if it’s messed up one way, best to double check the return (although I’m sure I would not thought to have done so).