Observations on Buy Up to F Offers
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Observations on Buy Up to F Offers
Last night I reviewed my upcoming trips on AA just to make sure everything looked ok. On every reservation a buy up offer popped up. A few were way out of my ballpark, over $1400 for MIA/SFO, $1081 each way for MIA/PHX. However, some were more than reasonable. These all are off low priced Main Cabin fares.
MIA/PIT ($311, which I declined because the F ratio on an E175 is fairly high, a Tuesday evening flight)
PIT/DCA/MIA ($260, I accepted mostly for the DCA/MIA leg)
MIA/RDU, RDU/MIA ($144 each way, accepted)
DCA/MIA ($229, accepted)
I find these buy up offers well more than reasonable and worth not playing the upgrade lottery,.which as a PP I usually end up losing even for non peak business travel days and times.
Is this growing evidence that the complimentary upgrade is ultimately going away or will normally be limited to high spend EXP/CKs (a fair number which buy premium anyway)? Also, are these offers individual? Would someone at a different elite level or even a general/non member see the same offer for the same flights? I'd have to wonder on these more affordable upfares offers what the acceptance rate is? Seems as though AA is becoming like DL in aggressively monetizing the premium cabin.
MIA/PIT ($311, which I declined because the F ratio on an E175 is fairly high, a Tuesday evening flight)
PIT/DCA/MIA ($260, I accepted mostly for the DCA/MIA leg)
MIA/RDU, RDU/MIA ($144 each way, accepted)
DCA/MIA ($229, accepted)
I find these buy up offers well more than reasonable and worth not playing the upgrade lottery,.which as a PP I usually end up losing even for non peak business travel days and times.
Is this growing evidence that the complimentary upgrade is ultimately going away or will normally be limited to high spend EXP/CKs (a fair number which buy premium anyway)? Also, are these offers individual? Would someone at a different elite level or even a general/non member see the same offer for the same flights? I'd have to wonder on these more affordable upfares offers what the acceptance rate is? Seems as though AA is becoming like DL in aggressively monetizing the premium cabin.
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Last night I reviewed my upcoming trips on AA just to make sure everything looked ok. On every reservation a buy up offer popped up. A few were way out of my ballpark, over $1400 for MIA/SFO, $1081 each way for MIA/PHX. However, some were more than reasonable. These all are off low priced Main Cabin fares.
MIA/PIT ($311, which I declined because the F ratio on an E175 is fairly high, a Tuesday evening flight)
PIT/DCA/MIA ($260, I accepted mostly for the DCA/MIA leg)
MIA/RDU, RDU/MIA ($144 each way, accepted)
DCA/MIA ($229, accepted)
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MIA/PIT ($311, which I declined because the F ratio on an E175 is fairly high, a Tuesday evening flight)
PIT/DCA/MIA ($260, I accepted mostly for the DCA/MIA leg)
MIA/RDU, RDU/MIA ($144 each way, accepted)
DCA/MIA ($229, accepted)
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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
(edit to add: and they have )
Last edited by bse118; Feb 4, 2020 at 11:03 pm
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My understanding is that these in-app offers are just buy-ups to the lowest first class cabin fare - the difference in fare between the ticket you purchased and the current front cabin selling price. So essentially no different than someone going to AA.com and buying a F seat.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
In my experience last November this was not the case. The online upgrade offer was quite a bit more than the difference between (current market price for FC) - (what I paid for Y). I had apparently "overpaid" for Y, which had declined meaningfully since my original booking leaving the fare difference at a quite reasonable $112 for EYW-MIA-JFK (including the second leg on a 772), even if upgrade chances seemed good on MIA-JFK (and if not, PE seats designated as MCE as a good backup). If I had to guess (and I don't have the details now), the online upgrade offer was probably priced as the current fare difference between Y and F.
In any event, I called and asked to up-fare, and that was quoted at the expected price based on the fare difference vs. what I originally paid. Of course this led to all sorts of issues as I was charged a change fee (despite no mention of it) and in the ensuing fight for a refund they canceled the ticket.
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My understanding is that these in-app offers are just buy-ups to the lowest first class cabin fare - the difference in fare between the ticket you purchased and the current front cabin selling price. So essentially no different than someone going to AA.com and buying a F seat.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
I did have a funny situation happen. My flight upgrades cleared at T100. Despite all my segments clearing to J, AA was offering a buy up for 443 USD.
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What's funny is that after I accepted the PIT/DCA/MIA buy up for $260 and went back to the reservation in the app I was then offered a buy up for the same flight for over $1K. Gotta love AA's technology.
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Really depends on the day/time/route. They are running the A319 often, which has me >3 on the upgrade list regularly. Fortunately, I'm about halfway between ILM & OAJ. Out of OAJ, it's mostly all military folks and F goes out >25% empty regularly. I've been the only one in F several times recently out of there.
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Looked at AA buy ups for a flight next week, and did some UA buy ups for a trip in March. The UA buy ups appear to be a better deal than AA. Both out of AUS. This is something i will be paying attention to more often.
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My understanding is that these in-app offers are just buy-ups to the lowest first class cabin fare - the difference in fare between the ticket you purchased and the current front cabin selling price. So essentially no different than someone going to AA.com and buying a F seat.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Last edited by xliioper; Feb 4, 2020 at 1:50 pm
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It suggests that AA is not selling deeply discounted upgrades in the way that UA & DL do, but rather simply automating the process of buying up.
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I am seeing a similar thing on my upcoming one-way trip LAX-ORD. F is sold at $444 on aa.com but the app is asking for a whopping $1630. It has been like this at least past 3 days.
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My understanding is that these in-app offers are just buy-ups to the lowest first class cabin fare - the difference in fare between the ticket you purchased and the current front cabin selling price. So essentially no different than someone going to AA.com and buying a F seat.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
There were earlier offers to buy up for ~$290, but neither of those prices was the difference between my fare and the lowest available I fare. I ended up 2/24 on the upgrade list with only 1 clearing, but not worth that to me for a 90 minute mid-day flight.
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In my past experience I had a BOS-MIA leg that was offered a $1800 upgrade to First class about a week before OLCI which I passed on. Checking normal prices, seemed like it was the fare difference.
Day before my flight during OLCI I was offered a $140 upgrade to First class which I accepted. The fare difference was still north of $1000, so not sure where the price came from.
Day before my flight during OLCI I was offered a $140 upgrade to First class which I accepted. The fare difference was still north of $1000, so not sure where the price came from.
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Really depends on the day/time/route. They are running the A319 often, which has me >3 on the upgrade list regularly. Fortunately, I'm about halfway between ILM & OAJ. Out of OAJ, it's mostly all military folks and F goes out >25% empty regularly. I've been the only one in F several times recently out of there.