What compensation can/should I get for my paid J seat given away? (to merge)
#91
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It was very reasonable and understandable for the OP to ask about options. AA should not have closed the door to "punish" him for asking instead of just taking the coach boarding pass (probably a middle seat in the last row) that was offered, sitting down, shutting up, and trying in vain to get some reasonable reimbursement later for the downgrade from a paid J fare.
If we accept the comments earlier in this thread that the OP should have arrived 3-4 days early, that wouldn't necessarily have helped and in fact we don't know what the expected birth date was (which, IMO would be TMI). Babies can be born months premature, so to plan for this contingency, OP should have left his job in the USA four or five months early to go to South Korea in order to avoid the possibility of missing the birth?????? It's not realistic. Moreover, note that the OP did not know about the medical emergency at the time he was asking about other options at the gate.
If we accept the comments earlier in this thread that the OP should have arrived 3-4 days early, that wouldn't necessarily have helped and in fact we don't know what the expected birth date was (which, IMO would be TMI). Babies can be born months premature, so to plan for this contingency, OP should have left his job in the USA four or five months early to go to South Korea in order to avoid the possibility of missing the birth?????? It's not realistic. Moreover, note that the OP did not know about the medical emergency at the time he was asking about other options at the gate.
#92
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Birth aside, original delay was for late crew. The OP should have been rebooked on another OW or offline carrier for that day. The AC/FL is able to handle this without having to go back to the ticket counter.
I wonder if the OP ran into my favorite ORD GA? Was she, perhaps, in her 50s with mostly grey/ black hair and wearing a massive cross around her neck?
I wonder if the OP ran into my favorite ORD GA? Was she, perhaps, in her 50s with mostly grey/ black hair and wearing a massive cross around her neck?
The only opportunity was probably on the ground at BOS, OP could have asked to be put on the JAL BOS-NRT-PUS...
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The last time I looked at schedules, there were midnight departures fo ICN from both coasts. At least the JFK flight arrives in the very early morning hours. From ICN, it would have been easy to get a flight to PUS, or alternatively from Gimpo, or even to take the train. However, this would have required a rebooking onto a carrier that isn't an alliance carrier, which I suspect is why the OP chose the routing through NRT originally.
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Here's an analogy: let's say you drive very fast every day. Most days, you do so safely, but one day a child steps in front of your car and you don't stop in time. Of course, you didn't know that a child would step in front of your car on that specific day. But, your decision to drive very fast every day means that if you drive 1,000 or 10,000 days, one day your decision to drive very fast will have a terrible outcome.
In this case, AA's decision to treat its obligations (ethical if not legal) as optional usually only means a customer misses a meeting, a day of vacation or a child's birthday (which is still bad), but every so often, the impact is much worse. AA surely understands this, but they just don't care.
#95
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Clear and cut.
1. AA failed to get the passengers to final destination under CoCs. T-30 or T-10 doesn’t matter as the gate agents already knew he was going to misconnect.
2. AA closed the door without giving enough information to OP about possible options to work with.
3. AA staff flagged the pax as no-show by denying they were actually in fault - late crew.
-> This is the current state of AA customer service. Shifting the blame and twisting the story(Misconnect interpreted as no-show) are the worst things that happen to the airline.
4. AA did not provide other options to OP with even non-AA or OneWorld airlines getting OP to final destinations as soon as possible. If I were OP I would have explored all other options including non-OW to get to the final destinations.
If I were OP I would go after AA on social media and their customer relations to figure out what compensation will be due. However, look at the bright side, the baby seemed ok even after medical emergency, and you got there safely. Blessing in disguise. Congratulations on the new family member and I wish you best against AA.
2. AA closed the door without giving enough information to OP about possible options to work with.
3. AA staff flagged the pax as no-show by denying they were actually in fault - late crew.
-> This is the current state of AA customer service. Shifting the blame and twisting the story(Misconnect interpreted as no-show) are the worst things that happen to the airline.
4. AA did not provide other options to OP with even non-AA or OneWorld airlines getting OP to final destinations as soon as possible. If I were OP I would have explored all other options including non-OW to get to the final destinations.
If I were OP I would go after AA on social media and their customer relations to figure out what compensation will be due. However, look at the bright side, the baby seemed ok even after medical emergency, and you got there safely. Blessing in disguise. Congratulations on the new family member and I wish you best against AA.
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Back on topic: yes, AA definitely dropped the ball.
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Not nearly enough; not even in combination. AA committed multiple errors. Maybe that much for each separate issue.
Also, it would be a nice PR gesture if AA also provided the whole family with free FC tickets to a destination of their choice when everyone is recovered and ready to travel.
Also, it would be a nice PR gesture if AA also provided the whole family with free FC tickets to a destination of their choice when everyone is recovered and ready to travel.
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Surely there was a JAL flight you could have taken?
Or flown non stop from BOS ( also Jal)
My advice : quit American.
They clearly don't care.
Or flown non stop from BOS ( also Jal)
My advice : quit American.
They clearly don't care.
#99
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All the support for you!
No matter what other people say such as, "how could u miss your baby's birth," you have clearly been wronged by AA. If i were you, i wouldn't have stayed polite like you. Stop DM with them (they won't do anything there) and report this with the media. I wish you a million dollar settlement!
Good luck!
Good luck!
#100
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I would be so angry at AA after this treatment. Anyone excusing how OP was treated must work for AA.
What if you were flying Y, get to the gate, and the agent says "Sorry, no seat for you, your connection was late".
What's most surprising about this whole story is that someone would PAY for AA J over the pacific. Must have been a lot cheaper than alternatives.
I suspect this was a nonrev got his seat.
Is AA software that bad they can't see tight connections?
What if you were flying Y, get to the gate, and the agent says "Sorry, no seat for you, your connection was late".
What's most surprising about this whole story is that someone would PAY for AA J over the pacific. Must have been a lot cheaper than alternatives.
I suspect this was a nonrev got his seat.
Is AA software that bad they can't see tight connections?
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I have read the whole sorry thread. My opinion - based solely on the OP's assertations is the Gate Agents were remiss. He arrived late through no fault of his own. The agent should have taken him to the end of the jetbridge and gone and moved the passenger who had clearly been upgraded or was Stand-by and moved him/her into Economy and seated the OP where he had paid to be seated. If the passenger being displaced did not like it, he could leave.
Excuse me for not joining in the morality chorus, but that is what should have happened but nobody bothered as far as the story goes. I wonder why. My own rather nasty thoughts are that this was a staff member - possibly one of their own who they did not want to inconvenience. It is not impossible that they just could not be bothered. I stress that we only have one side of the story, but if the OP is 50% accurate then this is disgraceful and if not a word has been exaggerated then this should be in the press. AA don't like that.
Excuse me for not joining in the morality chorus, but that is what should have happened but nobody bothered as far as the story goes. I wonder why. My own rather nasty thoughts are that this was a staff member - possibly one of their own who they did not want to inconvenience. It is not impossible that they just could not be bothered. I stress that we only have one side of the story, but if the OP is 50% accurate then this is disgraceful and if not a word has been exaggerated then this should be in the press. AA don't like that.
#102
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Not nearly enough; not even in combination. AA committed multiple errors. Maybe that much for each separate issue.
Also, it would be a nice PR gesture if AA also provided the whole family with free FC tickets to a destination of their choice when everyone is recovered and ready to travel.
Also, it would be a nice PR gesture if AA also provided the whole family with free FC tickets to a destination of their choice when everyone is recovered and ready to travel.
#103
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I think that might be a bit high for the "inconvenience" of being upgraded then downgraded IF you got back your original seat, but I understand your position. The problem with the downgrade of the last-minute upgraded passenger (which is what I believe sounds appropriate in this particular circumstance) is that if you had the coach seat with "unlimited" legroom (the one I usually fly on long-haul economy) and, when you got downgraded, you got a "regular" seat. Because THAT then becomes a major inconvenience for you. But if you get back what you booked (unlimited or regular) then I think you request is a little too high (but I would appreciate the customer service gesture if that is what AA felt was appropriate).
#104
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Of course we don't know if it was a last-minute upgrade of a revenue passenger or an employee/non-rev. I think processing a revenue passenger downgrade might be more complicated than a non-rev downgrade, but on the other hand the agent is probably inherently averse to downgrading a fellow employee. So the incentive in either case is to screw the OP.
#105
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I don't know why AA flyers tolerate the low level of service and compensation compared to Delta. All these posters blaming the OP for getting delayed when it was due to basic responsibilities of working (showing up on time), not accepting Y after paying 1000's of $$ and needing J, and the lazy rebooking agent. Really amazing. Shame on the posters and AA for this one.