Jan 31, 2020, 11:47 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
LATAM has announced it will depart oneworld Alliance on 1 May 2020. From that date onward, AA and LA end reciprocity of any benefits; code sharing ended 1 Feb 2020.
LATAM will relocate from JFK Terminal 8, shared with American Airlines, to Terminal 4 and used by Delta Airlines.
(Delta is investing $1.9 billion for a 20% stake in Latam, and it will invest $350 million to establish the partnership. Delta will fund the investment with a public tender offer of $16 per share. Following the closing of the transaction, Delta will have a seat on Latam’s board of directors. - Frequent Business Traveler: http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2020/01/latam-to-leave-oneworld-alliance-in-may/
American Airlines April 30, 2020 is the last day to earn and redeem miles on LATAM. All award travel must be booked and ticketed by April 30, 2020. Travel is valid for 1 year after ticketing date and must be flown no later than April 30, 2021. Ticket changes will not be allowed after April 30, 2020.
Special notice: LATAM Airlines will no longer operate using the airline code JJ for flights on or after October 27, 2019.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/partner-airlines/lan-airlines.jsp
Special notice: LATAM Airlines will no longer operate using the airline code JJ for flights on or after October 27, 2019.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/travel-info/partner-airlines/lan-airlines.jsp
LATAM will retain relationships with many of its former Oneworld partners after leaving the alliance. Travelers will still receive reciprocal lounge access, elite loyalty benefits, and be able to earn and redeem frequent-flier points on British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Japan Airlines, Malaysia Airlines, Qantas, Qatar, Royal Jordanian, S7 Airlines and SriLankan Airlines for the time being, LATAM said. — The Points Guy https://thepointsguy.com/news/latam-...than-expected/
31 Jan 2020
LATAM to leave oneworld effective 1 May 2020
LATAM Airlines Group will end its membership in the oneworld® alliance effective 1 May 2020, following the group’s decision to leave the alliance.
oneworld benefits for LATAM customers will be offered on oneworld flights up to and including 30 April 2020. LATAM Pass members will not receive oneworld frequent flyer benefits offered by Royal Air Maroc, which joins oneworld effective 1 April. LATAM will not offer oneworld frequent flyer member benefits to Royal Air Maroc Safar Flyer members.
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All redemption tickets that have been ticketed up to 30 April 2020 remain valid for travel, however, customers will not be eligible for oneworld tier status benefits if travel occurs after 30 April 2020.
A number of oneworld member airlines plan to maintain frequent flyer agreements with LATAM after 30 April. Customers are advised to contact their airlines or visit the airlines’ frequent flyer programme websites for more information.
]https://www.oneworld.com/news/2020-0...ive-1-May-2020
LATAM to leave oneworld effective 1 May 2020
LATAM Airlines Group will end its membership in the oneworld® alliance effective 1 May 2020, following the group’s decision to leave the alliance.
oneworld benefits for LATAM customers will be offered on oneworld flights up to and including 30 April 2020. LATAM Pass members will not receive oneworld frequent flyer benefits offered by Royal Air Maroc, which joins oneworld effective 1 April. LATAM will not offer oneworld frequent flyer member benefits to Royal Air Maroc Safar Flyer members.
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All redemption tickets that have been ticketed up to 30 April 2020 remain valid for travel, however, customers will not be eligible for oneworld tier status benefits if travel occurs after 30 April 2020.
A number of oneworld member airlines plan to maintain frequent flyer agreements with LATAM after 30 April. Customers are advised to contact their airlines or visit the airlines’ frequent flyer programme websites for more information.
]https://www.oneworld.com/news/2020-0...ive-1-May-2020
LATAM to exit oneworld 1 May 2020: AA impact
Feb 24, 2020, 5:24 am
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Feb 24, 2020, 5:41 am
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Feb 24, 2020, 11:38 am
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Although I agree that AA has better coverage of the major cities in SA than those in Europe, I disagree that the loss of LA is comparable to losing MH. MH is a minor player in SE Asia, in my view, whereas LA is by far the largest airline in SA. With LA, OW had an undisputedly dominant position in the SA market, which is why I suspect fares to SA were often quite high. Now, I think there is a legitimate competitor in DL/LA. Maybe OW will still work for the business traveler who only needs to go to Sao Paolo or Buenos Aires, but if you need to travel around SA, even between many of the major business centers, OW is no longer really a viable option.
I think DL swooping in to create a partnership with LA as well as AA quickly tying up with GOL are both indications of the significance of LA to OW.
I don’t want to get too off-topic, but I am on the fence regarding AA+AS, particularly since my most frequented routes are ones on which AA and AS (formerly VX) compete.
I think DL swooping in to create a partnership with LA as well as AA quickly tying up with GOL are both indications of the significance of LA to OW.
I don’t want to get too off-topic, but I am on the fence regarding AA+AS, particularly since my most frequented routes are ones on which AA and AS (formerly VX) compete.
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Feb 24, 2020, 10:08 pm
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My point is that even if Aerolineas only competes with a part of LATAM, that may be enough for Aerolineas' contract with SkyTeam to not allow another airline that competes with them to any degree in South America to join SkyTeam for Aerolineaas' current SkyTeam contract period.
My point is not whether Aerolineas would deserve such a "no one else around here in SkyTeam" clause in their SkyTeam contract, just that they might have such a clause whether you or I think they deserve it or not.
And I'm not arguing with you about the value of what Delta got, just speculating on the possible problems of translating Delta's partnership with LATAM into a quick full SkyTeam membership for LATAM.
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Feb 25, 2020, 12:32 am
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Aerolineas obviously competes with LATAM on flights within and to/from Argentina.
My point is that even if Aerolineas only competes with a part of LATAM, that may be enough for Aerolineas' contract with SkyTeam to not allow another airline that competes with them to any degree in South America to join SkyTeam for Aerolineaas' current SkyTeam contract period.
My point is not whether Aerolineas would deserve such a "no one else around here in SkyTeam" clause in their SkyTeam contract, just that they might have such a clause whether you or I think they deserve it or not.
And I'm not arguing with you about the value of what Delta got, just speculating on the possible problems of translating Delta's partnership with LATAM into a quick full SkyTeam membership for LATAM.
My point is that even if Aerolineas only competes with a part of LATAM, that may be enough for Aerolineas' contract with SkyTeam to not allow another airline that competes with them to any degree in South America to join SkyTeam for Aerolineaas' current SkyTeam contract period.
My point is not whether Aerolineas would deserve such a "no one else around here in SkyTeam" clause in their SkyTeam contract, just that they might have such a clause whether you or I think they deserve it or not.
And I'm not arguing with you about the value of what Delta got, just speculating on the possible problems of translating Delta's partnership with LATAM into a quick full SkyTeam membership for LATAM.
Feb 25, 2020, 1:06 am
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How do you know they won't eventually?
All we know is that they're not joining for now, and it could be because SkyTeam can't admit them for now for some sort of contractual reasons. But contract eventually end, and then eventually new contracts can begin.
All we know is that they're not joining for now, and it could be because SkyTeam can't admit them for now for some sort of contractual reasons. But contract eventually end, and then eventually new contracts can begin.
Feb 25, 2020, 8:42 am
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Again, not saying it's impossible in the future, but it seems like the trend at this point is away from large alliances of random airlines.
Feb 25, 2020, 7:13 pm
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Eventually I suspect that DL may realize that it would help if their partners had better relationships with each other. VS frequent flyers from London may want to fly to South America -- should they be enticed to choose LATAM, whom Delta has an equity stake in? So I think eventually Delta will find a way to use SkyTeam as a tool to build value on their investment, especially if they put an effort into working with partners and improving their in-flight service on long haul flights. Given that the aviation market in the US is really hot right now and the international market is slow due to COVID-19, it's probably not a high priority, but market conditions could shift.
Feb 27, 2020, 5:19 am
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Agreed with others. GOL competes in Brasil and maybe a handful of cities outside Brasil, but that's it. We're presently screwed for flights within SA if we want to stay OW. It's not a huge deal since you can't travel around SA without having to connect in a hub like SCL, LIM, GRU or EZE, but still. You are now not earning credit for any of it.
Feb 27, 2020, 7:57 am
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Agreed with others. GOL competes in Brasil and maybe a handful of cities outside Brasil, but that's it. We're presently screwed for flights within SA if we want to stay OW. It's not a huge deal since you can't travel around SA without having to connect in a hub like SCL, LIM, GRU or EZE, but still. You are now not earning credit for any of it.
Feb 28, 2020, 9:27 am
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From aa.com and the Wikipost:
April 30, 2020 is the last day to earn and redeem miles on LATAM. All award travel must be booked and ticketed by April 30, 2020. Travel is valid for 1 year after ticketing date and must be flown no later than April 30, 2021. Ticket changes will not be allowed after April 30, 2020.
Mar 30, 2020, 3:37 am
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Can anyone please confirm if last date to reserve a LATAM award is 3/30 or 4/30? For some reason I also had in my head the date was 3/30 also.
I have a LATAM award flight booked mid-August, as part of a trip departing 28 July on Air Tahiti Nu. Although it's unlikely there's any LATAM Award availability still out for AA - I searched BA a few days ago and there was nothing through the end of the calendar- end of July seems very doubtful my trip will happen.
If the Wiki is correct at 4/30, at least there's another month for an Award to pop up so I can push the trip out rather than loose it. :-( Unlikely, but possible.
Edit: Found answer on AA website. 4/30 - JDiver absolutely correct. (as he most often is!) 🙂 Now if only another award flight can be found that easily.
I have a LATAM award flight booked mid-August, as part of a trip departing 28 July on Air Tahiti Nu. Although it's unlikely there's any LATAM Award availability still out for AA - I searched BA a few days ago and there was nothing through the end of the calendar- end of July seems very doubtful my trip will happen.
If the Wiki is correct at 4/30, at least there's another month for an Award to pop up so I can push the trip out rather than loose it. :-( Unlikely, but possible.
Edit: Found answer on AA website. 4/30 - JDiver absolutely correct. (as he most often is!) 🙂 Now if only another award flight can be found that easily.
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