DFW-TLV / Tel Aviv, Israel 3x weekly starting 9/9/2020
#32
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Since you have to go east to get to TLV from anywhere in the US, it would make the most sense to have the flight depart from an east coast hub. PHL and JFK are the closest hubs to TLV. And psychologically PHL is on the way to TLV from points west. Whereas DFW is most certainly not on the way to TLV from the eastern seaboard.
This ignores AA operational issues, obviously.
#34
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Yes, they did. They tried and it didn't workout so well. Not enough profitable. They losing the money and they pulled out of PHL-TLV completely.
Yes, TWA workers had it right to pay it back. They cannot be seized the plane when they landed in TLV.
Yes, they has done extremely very well. Lots of competitive. I won't expect to add 2nd daily SFO-TLV in the near future.
Yes, as long if this route has done very well. Let see what happens. It will became daily in a few years. Depends if they have enough profitable.
No, they won't. Let them keep that way.
No, they won't. Let them keep that way.
#35
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I suspect this flight is going to be targeting Bible Belt evangelical tourists to Israel along with whatever tech/energy corporate clients they might have in Texas. I can't imagine that Austin tech companies and Noble Energy are going to be enough on their own to fill these flights, but then again - I could be wrong!
#36
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Lots of competition out of the Northeast, DFW may allow higher prices.
#37
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You would be surprised. Westdale (big DFW-based real estate firm) just did an IPO on the Israeli markets. There's quite a bit of increased biz travel between Texas and Israel, as well as the given religious / tourist travel.
I think AA made a wise move here, as they'll be the only ones flying nonstop to TLV from the middle of America.
I think AA made a wise move here, as they'll be the only ones flying nonstop to TLV from the middle of America.
#38
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My Jewish GF tells me that there are over a million Jewish Americans living in California, a similar number to New York. Its not a vast majority living on the East Coast any longer. But more importantly, I know plenty of Christians who want to tour the Holy Land including myself. Its not just Jewish Americans who travel to Israel. This route should be a success.
#40
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The difference is that UA already ran double daily 77W/772 ex-EWR to TLV. In my mind it's quite different.
#41
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Larger discussion here:
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#42
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For an airport with over 900 daily departures on American, we're talking about selling 735 PE and Y seats each week, and 90 J seats. Sounds pretty reasonable.
#43
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That said, I think it is mostly the Orthodox and Chasidic Jews that travel frequently to Israel, at least once a year for many. Reform and conservative Jews probably go no more than a couple of times in their lifetimes. I would suspect that the Orthodox/Chasidic Jews are more concentrated in the Northeast.
#44
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My Jewish GF tells me that there are over a million Jewish Americans living in California, a similar number to New York. Its not a vast majority living on the East Coast any longer. But more importantly, I know plenty of Christians who want to tour the Holy Land including myself. Its not just Jewish Americans who travel to Israel. This route should be a success.
#45
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Lots of different info out there on this, but around 100K Jewish population in PHX / Scottsdale (I've heard even more, actually), around 100K in Denver / Boulder. Another 150K between DFW, Austin and Houston, 60K in St. Louis, 50K in Mexico City, we're almost to 500K now. Just within a 2ish hour flight range of DFW.
Add in connections from GRU, EZE, and we're getting closer to 1M.
Add in connections from GRU, EZE, and we're getting closer to 1M.