DFW-TLV / Tel Aviv, Israel 3x weekly starting 9/9/2020
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#18
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Am I the only one a little surprised that they specifically cited the tech industry in the press release? If truthful, it would seem to imply they are targeting some specific corporate accounts versus targeting demographics. But a year out is a pretty long time to wait for a business oriented flight....
#19
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I think AA made a wise move here, as they'll be the only ones flying nonstop to TLV from the middle of America.
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I am beyond elated by this announcement. TLV has been one of my main destinations over the past 5 years, and it's always been a beating to have to wrestle with AA to get me there from DFW, especially since they just want to stick me on an LY codeshare all the time. It's been getting harder and harder to have AA.com sell me a BA flight ex-LHR, and the BA schedules have not been easy to work with.
Pure speculation, but I bet this goes daily or at least 5x weekly in May 2021.
Pure speculation, but I bet this goes daily or at least 5x weekly in May 2021.
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You would be surprised. Westdale (big DFW-based real estate firm) just did an IPO on the Israeli markets. There's quite a bit of increased biz travel between Texas and Israel, as well as the given religious / tourist travel.
I think AA made a wise move here, as they'll be the only ones flying nonstop to TLV from the middle of America.
I think AA made a wise move here, as they'll be the only ones flying nonstop to TLV from the middle of America.
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It's hardly anecdotal to note that there's a growing biz relationship between TX firms and the Israeli economy.
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Frames are not allocated to single destinations, take a look at a fairly typical frame history:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n786an
These days, frames can't even really be said to have a base - the whole network is incredibly complex.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n786an
These days, frames can't even really be said to have a base - the whole network is incredibly complex.
#28
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Planes aren't dedicated to certain routes, so it won't just sit on the ground at DFW when it gets back.
The plane would do something like (example here): DFW-TLV-DFW-NRT-ORD-LHR-DFW-ICN-DFW.... You get the idea. Usually, it's spread among other hubs as well, but I used DFW as an example.
In reality, it would be something like: DFW-TLV-DFW-CDG-ORD-LHR-LAX-AKL-LAX-LHR-DFW.
The plane would do something like (example here): DFW-TLV-DFW-NRT-ORD-LHR-DFW-ICN-DFW.... You get the idea. Usually, it's spread among other hubs as well, but I used DFW as an example.
In reality, it would be something like: DFW-TLV-DFW-CDG-ORD-LHR-LAX-AKL-LAX-LHR-DFW.
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Despite running it for 6 years ex-PHL, when they canceled it Parker said it was never a money maker, and lost $20M in the final year. I would think East coast - TLV would still be a better option for connection options. I can't imagine O&D from DFW is stronger, so I guess they'll be relying on connections from points West/Central.
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That's not correct. AMR and American Airlines never agreed to pay TWA's obligations to its Israeli employees nor was it ordered to pay them.
The Israeli court case was Ezra Berman v Trans World Airlines, Inc., Tel Aviv District Court 1225/01, 2001(1) 29448. A related case was Insolvency Case - Trans World Airlines 2005(4) 10352.
Some of the details are described in the book Private International Law in Israel by Talia Einhorn. Here is a link to the relevant on Google Books [link updated to Amazon "Look inside" relevant info is on pp. 163/4]. According to Ms. Einhorn, the court ordered that the Israeli assets of TWA be seized and sold to pay the Israeli employees in a similar manner to that used to pay TWA's employees in France. After those claims were paid, any leftover proceeds from the sale of the assets were to be turned over to the US bankruptcy court trustee for distribution among all the other creditors on an equal basis.
There weren't enough assets in Israel to satisfy the court order. The balance is owed by the of estate Trans World Airlines, Inc., in the Delaware Bankruptcy Court, not by American Airlines or its then parent AMR or its successor American Airlines Group.
The Israeli court case was Ezra Berman v Trans World Airlines, Inc., Tel Aviv District Court 1225/01, 2001(1) 29448. A related case was Insolvency Case - Trans World Airlines 2005(4) 10352.
Some of the details are described in the book Private International Law in Israel by Talia Einhorn. Here is a link to the relevant on Google Books [link updated to Amazon "Look inside" relevant info is on pp. 163/4]. According to Ms. Einhorn, the court ordered that the Israeli assets of TWA be seized and sold to pay the Israeli employees in a similar manner to that used to pay TWA's employees in France. After those claims were paid, any leftover proceeds from the sale of the assets were to be turned over to the US bankruptcy court trustee for distribution among all the other creditors on an equal basis.
There weren't enough assets in Israel to satisfy the court order. The balance is owed by the of estate Trans World Airlines, Inc., in the Delaware Bankruptcy Court, not by American Airlines or its then parent AMR or its successor American Airlines Group.
Last edited by TWA884; Aug 8, 2019 at 10:47 am Reason: Update link