AA FA bitten by purported emotional support animal / ESA 22 Jul 2019
Jul 25, 2019, 1:13 pm
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Jul 25, 2019, 1:29 pm
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I don't claim that.
And no need to get into the DSM definitions but some of us have been downrange, just like police officers, firefighters, EMT's have been in difficult situations.
The average person walking around claiming PTSD really means their boss yelled at them last month.
And no need to get into the DSM definitions but some of us have been downrange, just like police officers, firefighters, EMT's have been in difficult situations.
The average person walking around claiming PTSD really means their boss yelled at them last month.
Jul 25, 2019, 1:33 pm
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I had to read this twice-split a gut twice!
Jul 25, 2019, 1:35 pm
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1. There should be strict liability for bites (or other injuries) caused by ESAs on planes.
2. I believe in the importance of mental health, and I'm not sure those who truly need an ESA should have to pay because many have abused the system. I also don't think it's realistic to say those who need an ESA shouldn't travel by plane. But I wonder if it's possible to reserve a couple of rows (like in the back of the plane) for those traveling with animals. Those with allergies (or who are uncomfortable around animals) will know to avoid that part of the plane. Also, I think a limit on the number of ESAs per flight is reasonable.
2. I believe in the importance of mental health, and I'm not sure those who truly need an ESA should have to pay because many have abused the system. I also don't think it's realistic to say those who need an ESA shouldn't travel by plane. But I wonder if it's possible to reserve a couple of rows (like in the back of the plane) for those traveling with animals. Those with allergies (or who are uncomfortable around animals) will know to avoid that part of the plane. Also, I think a limit on the number of ESAs per flight is reasonable.
Jul 25, 2019, 1:38 pm
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Jul 25, 2019, 2:00 pm
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I don't claim that.
And no need to get into the DSM definitions but some of us have been downrange, just like police officers, firefighters, EMT's have been in difficult situations.
The average person walking around claiming PTSD really means their boss yelled at them last month.
And no need to get into the DSM definitions but some of us have been downrange, just like police officers, firefighters, EMT's have been in difficult situations.
The average person walking around claiming PTSD really means their boss yelled at them last month.
Jul 25, 2019, 2:04 pm
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1. There should be strict liability for bites (or other injuries) caused by ESAs on planes.
2. I believe in the importance of mental health, and I'm not sure those who truly need an ESA should have to pay because many have abused the system. I also don't think it's realistic to say those who need an ESA shouldn't travel by plane. But I wonder if it's possible to reserve a couple of rows (like in the back of the plane) for those traveling with animals. Those with allergies (or who are uncomfortable around animals) will know to avoid that part of the plane. Also, I think a limit on the number of ESAs per flight is reasonable.
2. I believe in the importance of mental health, and I'm not sure those who truly need an ESA should have to pay because many have abused the system. I also don't think it's realistic to say those who need an ESA shouldn't travel by plane. But I wonder if it's possible to reserve a couple of rows (like in the back of the plane) for those traveling with animals. Those with allergies (or who are uncomfortable around animals) will know to avoid that part of the plane. Also, I think a limit on the number of ESAs per flight is reasonable.
1. ESA (of ALL ilk) must be declared at booking-No exceptions
2. ESA MUST have its own seat.
3. Bump the ESA fee with weight limits (0-5= $y, 6-10 $yx2, 10-15 $yx3, 15 and up $x5 Have Fido stand on the scale. They do it for your luggage.-The airlines should love that
3. Mandatory pre-TSA physical check-in to verify ESA paper work. NO OLCI-Happens all the time with passports. My passport has my legal name, my AAdvantage account has my legal name without a space between first and middle, requiring physical verification before getting a boarding pass 100% of the time internationally. (AA IT still can't/won't fix this after 7+ years)
5. At mandatory check-in, PAX required to sign they are are responsible (with no $ limit) for any and all biting, soiling, biting , damage, biting, et al. No sign,no go-No CK waiver
6. Strict limit of 1 in F, 2 in Y/MCE/Y/Group 9-FCFS
YMMV
Last edited by Dallas49er; Jul 25, 2019 at 2:13 pm
Jul 25, 2019, 2:32 pm
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Maybe a solution could be that:
1. ESA (of ALL ilk) must be declared at booking-No exceptions
2. ESA MUST have its own seat.
3. Bump the ESA fee with weight limits (0-5= $y, 6-10 $yx2, 10-15 $yx3, 15 and up $x5 Have Fido stand on the scale. They do it for your luggage.-The airlines should love that
3. Mandatory pre-TSA physical check-in to verify ESA paper work. NO OLCI-Happens all the time with passports. My passport has my legal name, my AAdvantage account has my legal name without a space between first and middle, requiring physical verification before getting a boarding pass 100% of the time internationally. (AA IT still can't/won't fix this after 7+ years)
5. At mandatory check-in, PAX required to sign they are are responsible (with no $ limit) for any and all biting, soiling, biting , damage, biting, et al. No sign,no go-No CK waiver
6. Strict limit of 1 in F, 2 in Y/MCE/Y/Group 9-FCFS
YMMV
1. ESA (of ALL ilk) must be declared at booking-No exceptions
2. ESA MUST have its own seat.
3. Bump the ESA fee with weight limits (0-5= $y, 6-10 $yx2, 10-15 $yx3, 15 and up $x5 Have Fido stand on the scale. They do it for your luggage.-The airlines should love that
3. Mandatory pre-TSA physical check-in to verify ESA paper work. NO OLCI-Happens all the time with passports. My passport has my legal name, my AAdvantage account has my legal name without a space between first and middle, requiring physical verification before getting a boarding pass 100% of the time internationally. (AA IT still can't/won't fix this after 7+ years)
5. At mandatory check-in, PAX required to sign they are are responsible (with no $ limit) for any and all biting, soiling, biting , damage, biting, et al. No sign,no go-No CK waiver
6. Strict limit of 1 in F, 2 in Y/MCE/Y/Group 9-FCFS
YMMV
Jul 25, 2019, 2:33 pm
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Just a continued reminder that a massive portion of society is pitifully shameless.
If I HAD to have the dog to fly and function, ok so be it. I wouldn't care what people think, do what you gotta do.
But on a tweener case, or a straight up fraud (which a lot of these are obviously), how do you not have too much pride to shell out some money and not look like a person who needs their big ol' dog blankie. And if it is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a pet.
If I HAD to have the dog to fly and function, ok so be it. I wouldn't care what people think, do what you gotta do.
But on a tweener case, or a straight up fraud (which a lot of these are obviously), how do you not have too much pride to shell out some money and not look like a person who needs their big ol' dog blankie. And if it is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a pet.
Jul 25, 2019, 2:34 pm
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Jul 25, 2019, 2:38 pm
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Maybe muzzles should be required while in airports and on planes.
Jul 25, 2019, 2:43 pm
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What if dogs on planes were required to wear a muzzle? Muzzle conditioning a dog is not difficult and perhaps would make everyone more comfortable?
Jul 25, 2019, 2:44 pm
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Jul 25, 2019, 2:44 pm
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Hopefully these events getting more press will drive changes in ACAA to remove the stupidity that is ESAs, either you have a real need for a service animal and get a properly trained one or you leave your PET at home. And if your emotional wellbeing is such that you need fluffy with you to fly then you shouldn't on a plane at all but rather you should be at an in patient mental health facility.
Jul 25, 2019, 3:09 pm
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I’m left wondering... how did so many marvelous accomplishments happen without “emotional support animals” and in spite of allergies to everything. How did the world progress to this point without a total collapse.
Pathetic state of many people, mostly their own doing.
Grow up is what someone once told someone else in my presence. Growing up seems impossible for many in the present era.
I need my dooooooggggggg..... my EMOTIONALLLLLLLL SUPPPPORRRRRTTTTT ANIMALLLLL!!!!!
Pffft. Shut up.
Pathetic state of many people, mostly their own doing.
Grow up is what someone once told someone else in my presence. Growing up seems impossible for many in the present era.
I need my dooooooggggggg..... my EMOTIONALLLLLLLL SUPPPPORRRRRTTTTT ANIMALLLLL!!!!!
Pffft. Shut up.