Last Minute Award Flight, Uncertain Date - Options?
#16
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: IAD
Programs: UA Premier Platinum; Marriott Platinum
Posts: 441
I have a related inquiry - are there any guidelines or past practice about when additional T tickets become available? For example, does AA typically show additional T availability at 1 week window, or 72 hour window? I have a group on two different flights and am trying to decide whether to switch to less favorable option A or hold out to get everyone on option B (same day and same cities between the two).
#17
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2008
Location: PHL (kinda, no airport is really close)
Programs: AA Exp, but not sure for how long. Enterprise Platinum woo-hoo!
Posts: 4,550
The phone agent was emphatic that the time cutoff is based on Central time. That doesn't mean she's right.
I'm sure there is good availability NOW for July 22-28, but what I've been looking at are next-day tickets. What's available now for July 25 might not be available on July 24.
It's possible that I will send my bridge partner home sooner that I leave, depending on flights and hotel prices - I might stay an extra day or two, but he has a girlfriend and I don't. Bridge players with non-playing spouses generally to stay on their good side and not take extra time away from home to play bridge.
So right now my plan is something like this. If we win on (say) Tuesday, then Tuesday night I will book a flight for Thursday, assuming that on Tuesday there is something worth booking on Thursday. Then Wednesday night, if we win, I will cancel the Thursday reservation and book a flight for Friday. And so on.
It's not only about price in miles, it's about routing too. A noon nonstop (which does exist) is a damn sight better than a red-eye through Miami.
I'm sure there is good availability NOW for July 22-28, but what I've been looking at are next-day tickets. What's available now for July 25 might not be available on July 24.
It's possible that I will send my bridge partner home sooner that I leave, depending on flights and hotel prices - I might stay an extra day or two, but he has a girlfriend and I don't. Bridge players with non-playing spouses generally to stay on their good side and not take extra time away from home to play bridge.
So right now my plan is something like this. If we win on (say) Tuesday, then Tuesday night I will book a flight for Thursday, assuming that on Tuesday there is something worth booking on Thursday. Then Wednesday night, if we win, I will cancel the Thursday reservation and book a flight for Friday. And so on.
It's not only about price in miles, it's about routing too. A noon nonstop (which does exist) is a damn sight better than a red-eye through Miami.
#18
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA
Programs: Chase Sapphire Reserve, WFBF
Posts: 1,573
These are all good ideas. I'll add one more: do you have any credit card miles that you can use for an airline that's not AA as a backup plan? For example, Chase Ultimate Rewards that transfer to United. I see 12.5K saver awards on nonstop LAS-EWR even on same day weekday bookings. EWR is a short train ride from PHL, and I'd rather burn 12.5K UR for a nonstop than 50K AA for a connection.
#19
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: PHL (kinda, no airport is really close)
Programs: AA Exp, but not sure for how long. Enterprise Platinum woo-hoo!
Posts: 4,550
I have plenty of United miles also, but the still-extant close-in booking fee (times two tickets) is a deterrent, plus having to take a train to Philly and then another train from Center City to the airport.
And as mentioned, in doing comparisons I am not looking at "July 25" (for example). I am looking each day at the "next day." If I knew what day we'd be leaving it would be trivial. If I were EXP I'd just book several tickets and then each day if we advance, I'd cancel them.
IME I've usually found good availability even at the last minute (although not necessarily on this route). Just not this time. I'm a tiny bit surprised that many people want to go to Vegas in late July, when it's 115 in the shade.
And as mentioned, in doing comparisons I am not looking at "July 25" (for example). I am looking each day at the "next day." If I knew what day we'd be leaving it would be trivial. If I were EXP I'd just book several tickets and then each day if we advance, I'd cancel them.
IME I've usually found good availability even at the last minute (although not necessarily on this route). Just not this time. I'm a tiny bit surprised that many people want to go to Vegas in late July, when it's 115 in the shade.
#20
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 130
You can test this out now. Just hold a flight, and see what time it cancels. In addition, you can also test to see if you can hold multiple award flights on multiple days. They will cancel automatically at midnight departure city time after 5 days...
#21
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA
Programs: Chase Sapphire Reserve, WFBF
Posts: 1,573
I have plenty of United miles also, but the still-extant close-in booking fee (times two tickets) is a deterrent, plus having to take a train to Philly and then another train from Center City to the airport.
And as mentioned, in doing comparisons I am not looking at "July 25" (for example). I am looking each day at the "next day." If I knew what day we'd be leaving it would be trivial. If I were EXP I'd just book several tickets and then each day if we advance, I'd cancel them.
And as mentioned, in doing comparisons I am not looking at "July 25" (for example). I am looking each day at the "next day." If I knew what day we'd be leaving it would be trivial. If I were EXP I'd just book several tickets and then each day if we advance, I'd cancel them.
#22
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Not here; there!
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 29,584
Do you have credit-card points that can be converted to a Star Alliance FFP that does not have a close-in award-booking fee?
#23
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: NY
Programs: DL DM, Ex-AA EXP, HZ Pres, MRT AMB/LTP
Posts: 130
I'm going to Las Vegas in a few weeks for a bridge tournament. My partner and I plan to stay until we're eliminated, then come back home (to PHL). We're both semi-retired so neither of us needs to run right back to the office, but we don't want to stay around Vegas either. I promised to pay for his ticket home, assuming that at worst I'd have to pay 25K miles. But I've looked online several times in the evening to see what flights are available the following day, and mostly what I'm seeing is a true worst-case scenario - 50K miles for a coach redeye connection.
I realize there may not be a good workaround, but people on this board are unbounded in their ingenuity. We obviously have options like staying in Vegas an extra day, or entering a different event with a known termination date. And maybe on the day we get eliminated, ticket availability will be better. But I'm open to clever ideas, if there are any. I'm not EXP, so booking multiple returns and refunding them isn't an option.
I realize there may not be a good workaround, but people on this board are unbounded in their ingenuity. We obviously have options like staying in Vegas an extra day, or entering a different event with a known termination date. And maybe on the day we get eliminated, ticket availability will be better. But I'm open to clever ideas, if there are any. I'm not EXP, so booking multiple returns and refunding them isn't an option.
#24
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: PHL (kinda, no airport is really close)
Programs: AA Exp, but not sure for how long. Enterprise Platinum woo-hoo!
Posts: 4,550
Thanks to all for their help.
I've continued to see awful prices and routings for next-day or even day after flights. However, I've found that I can book Tuesday at 12:01 AM for Thursday, and hold until 11:59PM local time Wednesdsay. Thus I can effectively book three days ahead. It's Thursday evening now and we won today, so I cancelled my Friday flight, I have one on hold for Saturday, and after midnight I'll book for Sunday. The tournament ends Sunday so I only have at most two more iterations of this, but it's not that taxing.
I've continued to see awful prices and routings for next-day or even day after flights. However, I've found that I can book Tuesday at 12:01 AM for Thursday, and hold until 11:59PM local time Wednesdsay. Thus I can effectively book three days ahead. It's Thursday evening now and we won today, so I cancelled my Friday flight, I have one on hold for Saturday, and after midnight I'll book for Sunday. The tournament ends Sunday so I only have at most two more iterations of this, but it's not that taxing.
#25
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: IAD
Programs: UA Premier Platinum; Marriott Platinum
Posts: 441
I have a related inquiry - are there any guidelines or past practice about when additional T tickets become available? For example, does AA typically show additional T availability at 1 week window, or 72 hour window? I have a group on two different flights and am trying to decide whether to switch to less favorable option A or hold out to get everyone on option B (same day and same cities between the two).