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May 8, 2019, 6:36 pm
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You're probably right. But the social customs would also dictate asking whose space one is going to use whether it is Okay with them. I don't think any of us would refuse if there were space. But I see what you are saying.
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May 8, 2019, 6:36 pm
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If there was just no underseat stowage for that one seat, that is different
even so, it is not owned space and should be addressed to the crew not the passenger
May 8, 2019, 6:52 pm
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The only rule I know is the social custom. It is where my feet go, if I don’t have a bag that should go overhead. Where is the technical rule found?
May 8, 2019, 7:06 pm
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Why do you think FA's keep announcing that you are to put your smaller carry-on under the seat in front of you? They dont say "find any underseat storage for your smaller carry-on."
May 8, 2019, 8:04 pm
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May 8, 2019, 8:48 pm
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Some reading comprehension issues Dave. Give it another read...
Oh, the under seat space is NOT 'shared'. Period
If I am reading it correctly
The CK member boarded flight and put items in the overhead lockers which are shared space and not dedicated to specific passengers
The OP then arrived and then had a go at the CK member for putting items in the overhead locker
The CK basically told the person where to go
The OP seems to have been the one to have started by being rude to the CK member ; seems that neither passenger comes off well
When arriving and finding the locker full the OP should have (a) used another spot or (b) spoken to a member of cabin crew about lack of space
The CK member boarded flight and put items in the overhead lockers which are shared space and not dedicated to specific passengers
The OP then arrived and then had a go at the CK member for putting items in the overhead locker
The CK basically told the person where to go
The OP seems to have been the one to have started by being rude to the CK member ; seems that neither passenger comes off well
When arriving and finding the locker full the OP should have (a) used another spot or (b) spoken to a member of cabin crew about lack of space
May 8, 2019, 8:53 pm
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I strongly disagree. While overhead space is shared, the space under the seat in front of you is yours alone.
Why do you think FA's keep announcing that you are to put your smaller carry-on under the seat in front of you? They dont say "find any underseat storage for your smaller carry-on."
Why do you think FA's keep announcing that you are to put your smaller carry-on under the seat in front of you? They dont say "find any underseat storage for your smaller carry-on."
May 9, 2019, 12:50 am
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I observed something similar (not someone claiming CK, sort of even worse). Passenger in seat A put all his stuff in front of B and basically said he needed the space to stretch his legs and the person in B was short so he didn't need it...words to that effect.
Passenger in B may have been short but as soon as almost everyone had boarded he took the stuff in front of him and chunked it into the aisle. pressed the FA call button as Passenger A was starting to yell at him.
FA wasn't having any of it. Once she found the stuff belonged to A she said "you can either put it under the seat in front of you or I will check it (a PC bag and something delicate according to A who continued to yell and then shoved Pax B in clear view of the FA.
That was all it took and Passenger A was asked to leave with the clear instruction that if he didn't go voluntarily they would have the police come escort him off the plane.
I guess he needed a CK to pull that off. Of course Passenger B managed to prove himself sort of a jerk then and through the rest of the flight. But he got to go.
Passenger in B may have been short but as soon as almost everyone had boarded he took the stuff in front of him and chunked it into the aisle. pressed the FA call button as Passenger A was starting to yell at him.
FA wasn't having any of it. Once she found the stuff belonged to A she said "you can either put it under the seat in front of you or I will check it (a PC bag and something delicate according to A who continued to yell and then shoved Pax B in clear view of the FA.
That was all it took and Passenger A was asked to leave with the clear instruction that if he didn't go voluntarily they would have the police come escort him off the plane.
I guess he needed a CK to pull that off. Of course Passenger B managed to prove himself sort of a jerk then and through the rest of the flight. But he got to go.
As a kid I had a flight in 2B and the person in 1B insisted on putting his large case under his seat which took up all of my leg room. I wish I had thought of this.
May 9, 2019, 5:50 am
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May 9, 2019, 8:14 am
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I think this is a liberal interpretation of shared space and that it is more than just social custom that dictates the use of it. I haven't heard or seen this lately, but there seemed to be a time when folks in the bulkhead would try to put items underneath their own seat, which would often cause quite the stir. My favorite was when the person in the row behind kept kicking the guy's laptop forward. This, regrettably, was before cell phone videos (I had a Blackberry).
May 9, 2019, 8:54 am
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Not specifically related to the configuration in the OP's case, where the allocation mapped 1-to-1 with seats, but in general AA isn't doing much to help this issue with its seat mounting schemes, especially in domestic F. In some of the layouts one needs to use fractions of 7ths or 9ths to describe how the space is broken up. For example, I always run into the one where the aisle-side F seat doesn't have enough space that is completely its "own" to put a bag (due to a bracket basically going between the legs); that pax instead has to put their bag between the two mounting brackets in the middle, which means that it often technically spills over into the space that belongs to the other pax (if we use a rule of projecting the edges of the seats forward to define the space).
May 9, 2019, 10:55 am
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In the case of the CR7 though, none of the underseat storage of the F seat is in question, it all is in front of 8A. If you want to get technical, since the F seat is slightly wider, maybe 1-2 inches of the armrest width "protrude" over in front of 8B, but none of the underseat storage. I would never in a million years sit in 8B and think that any/all of the underseat storage in front of 8A was mine.
May 9, 2019, 10:59 am
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Not specifically related to the configuration in the OP's case, where the allocation mapped 1-to-1 with seats, but in general AA isn't doing much to help this issue with its seat mounting schemes, especially in domestic F. In some of the layouts one needs to use fractions of 7ths or 9ths to describe how the space is broken up. For example, I always run into the one where the aisle-side F seat doesn't have enough space that is completely its "own" to put a bag (due to a bracket basically going between the legs); that pax instead has to put their bag between the two mounting brackets in the middle, which means that it often technically spills over into the space that belongs to the other pax (if we use a rule of projecting the edges of the seats forward to define the space).
May 9, 2019, 12:46 pm
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I wonder if this jerk really is a CK? I travel with several CKs off and on and they all purchase F and J fares every flight. I’ve never seen them behave like jerks or “pull rank” with a GA or fellow passenger.