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Old Apr 27, 2019, 9:12 am
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Another day, another AA 125 (DFW-HKG 26 Apr) issue (ICN diversion)
Friday morning's departure was diverted to ICN. What is up with this flight?
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by elliottishere
Friday morning's departure was diverted to ICN. What is up with this flight?
What’s the equipment?
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by elliottishere
Friday morning's departure was diverted to ICN. What is up with this flight?
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What’s the equipment?
777-300ER / 77W. Affected by winds aloft, and of course crew timing out issues. ICN rather than PEK, PVG etc. because of visa and other issues, but if there had been available crew they’d have been 787 crew, not 777.

The awful part of this is passengers were treated quite poorly. Many were bussed to a hotel, only to find out the hotel had no rooms available. Huge fail. And of course the can gets kicked down the road, because the delayed HKG arrival will cause knock-on effects on departures.

The people I’m aware of who did best used the onboard WiFi to book their preferred hotels once they were informed of the diversion and will submit bills to AA, rather than being stuck at the airport for the time required to arrange lodging, only to have to spend the “night” on a lobby floor. (Yes, there was at least one wheelchair passenger. And F, J, Key and Eggsplats were all treated similarly.)
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 11:03 am
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777-300ER / 77W. Affected by winds aloft, and of course crew timing out issues. ICN rather than PEK, PVG etc. because of visa and other issues, but if there had been available crew they’d have been 787 crew, not 777.

The awful part of this is passengers were treated quite poorly. Many were bussed to a hotel, only to find out the hotel had no rooms available. Huge fail. And of course the can gets kicked down the road, because the delayed HKG arrival will cause knock-on effects on departures.

The people I’m aware of who did best used the onboard WiFi to book their preferred hotels once they were informed of the diversion and will submit bills to AA, rather than being stuck at the airport for the time required to arrange lodging, only to have to spend the “night” on a lobby floor. (Yes, there was at least one wheelchair passenger. And F, J, Key and Eggsplats were all treated similarly.)
Perhaps AA can schedule another gala cocktail party in Dallas. Management could host the passengers from this diverted flight, and then listen to suggestions from the passengers as to how AA can perform better during IRROPS.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 11:09 am
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Many were bussed to a hotel, only to find out the hotel had no rooms available.


Could you imagine how livid those passengers were? I hope most of them had good delay insurance on their travel booking credit card.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 11:10 am
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Perhaps AA can schedule another gala cocktail party in Dallas. Management could host the passengers from this diverted flight, and then listen to suggestions from the passengers as to how AA can perform better during IRROPS.
I'm amazed that this still happens. Diversions are possible on this route due to winds and AA should have a set diversion spot (ICN or whatever) to put down in this case.

every diversion seems to feel like a mayday situation where you land at the first place possible safely and deal with the pax consequences later. This has happened too many times to be surprised.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by Antarius
IAA should have a set diversion spot (ICN or whatever) to put down in this case
Don't they already in the form of ETOPS?

Or am I completely off?
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 11:18 am
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Originally Posted by JDiver
777-300ER / 77W. Affected by winds aloft, and of course crew timing out issues. ICN rather than PEK, PVG etc. because of visa and other issues, but if there had been available crew they’d have been 787 crew, not 777.
Wouldn't it have made more sense to divert to NRT, which would probably have a 777 crew and could still avoid visa issues?
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by wolfpacktrojan


Wouldn't it have made more sense to divert to NRT, which would probably have a 777 crew and could still avoid visa issues?
Putting up folks near ICN is likely cheaper than NRT.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 12:33 pm
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The solution is to switch the flight to a 787 or 2x 787 daily to avoid diversions. The 787 has greater range of course but I'm not sure the loss of F (big revenue maker) will make up for the lost revenue.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 12:35 pm
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Also if they KNOW AHEAD OF TIME their going to divert, why not gas & go in SEA or ANC!?
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 12:49 pm
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Also if they KNOW AHEAD OF TIME their going to divert, why not gas & go in SEA or ANC!?
Even with four pilots and Class 1 rest facilities, diverting anywhere for gas on this route is very likely to exceed pilot maximum flight duty period. It’s not as simple as pulling into the next gas stop on the highway.

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Old Apr 27, 2019, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerBeek


Even with four pilots and Class 1 rest facilities, diverting anywhere for gas on this route is very likely to exceed pilot maximum flight duty period. It’s not as simple as pulling into the next gas stop on the highway.

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But at a planned point they can easily have a crew ready to swap in—just land at SEA, refuel, and swap out the crew for one that's at 0.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian
Don't they already in the form of ETOPS?

Or am I completely off?
Oh yes - there are planned diversion points. Those are mandatory in creation of the flight plan. As for having hotel rooms and staff to deal with passengers in all of those airports - that's not part of the plan.
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Old Apr 27, 2019, 1:29 pm
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Oh yes - there are planned diversion points. Those are mandatory in creation of the flight plan. As for having hotel rooms and staff to deal with passengers in all of those airports - that's not part of the plan.
Right.

Then it sounds like AA needs a EHOPS plan.

Extended hotel operations

lol
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