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JDiver Apr 26, 19 11:46 am

New AA USA - Europe services for 2019
 
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American is adding permanent and seasonal services between hub airports in the USA and European destinations.

scubadu Apr 26, 19 12:04 pm

I'm sorry, is there anything new here? It seems most of these routes were long ago announced... (but I can't claim to have them memorized)

Regards

JDiver Apr 26, 19 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 31040162)
I'm sorry, is there anything new here? It seems most of these routes were long ago announced... (but I can't claim to have them memorized)

Regards

Iím sure they were, but thereís no thread mentioning the group of changes and additions.

Mwenenzi Apr 26, 19 12:35 pm

Main AA Eu flights thread---> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...ess-seats.html

AANYC1981 Apr 26, 19 12:37 pm

#oldnews

enviroian Apr 26, 19 1:33 pm

Now if one can't get a SWU to clear in advance on a flight to CROATIA then there truly is a problem.

:D

arlflyer Apr 26, 19 1:35 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 31040459)
Now if one can't get a SWU to clear in advance on a flight to CROATIA then there truly is a problem.

:D

You kidding? AA is packing the J cabins on those leisure flights. Mostly retirees going on cruises. I dont think I have ever seen an empty J seat on the leisure routes to Europe they have added. Lots of money in those destinations, just not road warriors.

USFlyerUS Apr 26, 19 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by arlflyer (Post 31040467)
You kidding? AA is packing the J cabins on those leisure flights. Mostly retirees going on cruises. I dont think I have ever seen an empty J seat on the leisure routes to Europe they have added. Lots of money in those destinations, just not road warriors.

Yep, my parents typically fly J when they do, as long as the price is reasonable.

PDXPremier Apr 26, 19 5:02 pm

Isn't PHL-PRG a new route? I don't see that on the list.

arlflyer Apr 26, 19 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by PDXPremier (Post 31040982)
Isn't PHL-PRG a new route? I don't see that on the list.

Started in 2018.

flightrisk Apr 26, 19 6:17 pm

It was discussed in this thread, with a more informative graphic that includes aircraft and frequencies:

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0f9fad693a.png

golfingboy Apr 26, 19 6:31 pm

I donít know why AA sent that email today promoting as if this was news. Sounds like bookings on some routes arenít doing so hot and AA felt compelled to ďremindĒ their customers about the new routes.

With that said, I like the direction AA is going with adding/testing new routes and expanding their global footprint. I wonít be surprised to see AA launch flights to Casablanca next year or when they start receiving new 787s.

perseus11 Apr 26, 19 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041168)
I donít know why AA sent that email today promoting as if this was news. Sounds like bookings on some routes arenít doing so hot and AA felt compelled to ďremindĒ their customers about the new routes.

With that said, I like the direction AA is going with adding/testing new routes and expanding their global footprint. I wonít be surprised to see AA launch flights to Casablanca next year or when they start receiving new 787s.

Actually, I wouldn't at all be surprised if AA returned to Israel, once additional 787-900s arrive. ;)

boerne Apr 26, 19 6:48 pm

I do think it has to do with seats to land and sea trips for the retiring boomers. That would include us. We have 4 trips that way between now and Jan 2020. Those are pretty much consolidator fares, however it did allow us both to reach EXP last year. And people think its all about cruises, but the land based high end tours are really taking off.

golfingboy Apr 26, 19 6:55 pm


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041195)
Actually, I wouldn't at all be surprised if AA returned to Israel, once additional 787-900s arrive. ;)

100% agree that TLV is a huge hole and I think AA is definitely leaving money on the table by not swallowing their pride and settling an open case they have in Israel.

DL/UA is making bank in TLV.

Djokison Apr 26, 19 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041219)
100% agree that TLV is a huge hole and I think AA is definitely leaving money on the table by not swallowing their pride and settling an open case they have in Israel.

DL/UA is making bank in TLV.

That is not the reason why AA currently isnít serving TLV.

golfingboy Apr 26, 19 8:27 pm


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 31041346)


That is not the reason why AA currently isn’t serving TLV.

I know AA stated they lost $20 million on their PHL-TLV route and the route was being canceled for financial reasons. However, from what I understand that a group of former TWA employees reached a settlement with AA but the settlement money allegedly was never paid. AA cannot operate into TLV and avoid addressing this issue.

I think post merger AA can do well in TLV operating ORD-TLV rather than PHL-TLV.

GUWonder Apr 26, 19 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by enviroian (Post 31040459)
Now if one can't get a SWU to clear in advance on a flight to CROATIA then there truly is a problem.

:D

The cruise ship companies and/or their travel agents seem to sell premium cabin space a lot. Are those premium cabin seatsí prices often heavily discounted in comparison to non-negotiated premium cabin fares? Yes, at times.

dls25 Apr 26, 19 9:58 pm

I had no problems booking summertime Milesaver J seats to TXL this summer. From my station, there were two seats available almost every day in August. That can't be a good sign for the advance bookings on PHL-TXL. I'll take it though, headed to DME on AA/S7 with no BA surcharges..

C46 Apr 26, 19 11:40 pm

I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

To me, as a German, Berlin is highly overrated, as a tourist attraction. It's okay for a 2-day trip and/or if one chooses to explore the pub/club scene; I don't see many further attractions for tourists, within a 100-mile radius.
And as a business route, it shouldn't work, due to the short season. Furthermore the hard product will not attract many Germans, to choose AA over DL to JFK.

perseus11 Apr 27, 19 12:29 am


Originally Posted by C46 (Post 31041645)
I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

To me, as a German, Berlin is highly overrated, as a tourist attraction. It's okay for a 2-day trip and/or if one chooses to explore the pub/club scene; I don't see many further attractions for tourists, within a 100-mile radius.
And as a business route, it shouldn't work, due to the short season. Furthermore the hard product will not attract many Germans, to choose AA over DL to JFK.

I seem to recall that US actually flew PHL-Berlin at one time. If so, there is some experience. Also, this new AA PHL-TXL route will be the only non-stop One World service from any U.S. City to Berlin.

ronp101 Apr 27, 19 1:22 am

I would have thought with previous ORD-DUS they would have initiated PHL-DUS before PHL-TXL. Of course it would have been ideal when Air Berlin was still around but AA now seems to be doing point to point in Europe instead of funneling everything through LHR and MAD. They used to have a weak network to Europe but with US and PHL hub they now have a much better network to Europe - and DFW seems to be getting new routes as well.

footballfanatic Apr 27, 19 3:31 am


Originally Posted by C46 (Post 31041645)
I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

To me, as a German, Berlin is highly overrated, as a tourist attraction. It's okay for a 2-day trip and/or if one chooses to explore the pub/club scene; I don't see many further attractions for tourists, within a 100-mile radius.
And as a business route, it shouldn't work, due to the short season. Furthermore the hard product will not attract many Germans, to choose AA over DL to JFK.

the 767 and use of the PHL hub which for now lacks shower facilities kills this.

id rather connect through LHR.

footballfanatic Apr 27, 19 3:35 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041704)
I seem to recall that US actually flew PHL-Berlin at one time. If so, there is some experience. Also, this new AA PHL-TXL route will be the only non-stop One World service from any U.S. City to Berlin.

but this isnít surprising - aa is the only US carrier in oneworld (and there is now no German carrier, probably due to the failures in getting BER operational)

dls25 Apr 27, 19 5:11 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041704)
I seem to recall that US actually flew PHL-Berlin at one time. If so, there is some experience. Also, this new AA PHL-TXL route will be the only non-stop One World service from any U.S. City to Berlin.

US never flew to Berlin.
Dropped Euro cities include OSL, ARN, BHX, MXP and LGW but not TXL or SXF.

footballfanatic Apr 27, 19 5:44 am


Originally Posted by dls25 (Post 31042058)
US never flew to Berlin.
Dropped Euro cities include OSL, ARN, BHX, MXP and LGW but not TXL or SXF.

why not fly JFK-SVO-SXF to change things up? might be more appealing/interesting than taking the 767.

3Cforme Apr 27, 19 5:49 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041704)
Also, this new AA PHL-TXL route will be the only non-stop One World service from any U.S. City to Berlin.

Yes, but one can't really expect much origin and destination demand on PHL-TXL. It's really competing xxx-PHL-TXL, and oneworld already has a lot of North America-origin xxx-LHR-TXL for that. AA and BA have the JV and must think it's worth the duplication, however - at least as a seasonal effort. We'll know more if it comes back for 2020.

C46 Apr 27, 19 8:13 am


Originally Posted by dls25 (Post 31042058)
US never flew to Berlin.
Dropped Euro cities include OSL, ARN, BHX, MXP and LGW but not TXL or SXF.

If I recall correctly, AA used to fly to TXL in the early/mid 90s.

Not sure, if to/from ORD or JFK.

aztimm Apr 27, 19 8:25 am


Originally Posted by C46 (Post 31041645)
I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

Perhaps they'll be able to fly to BER in 2020??? ;)

C46 Apr 27, 19 8:42 am


Originally Posted by aztimm (Post 31042483)
Perhaps they'll be able to fly to BER in 2030??? ;)

I took the liberty to correct your typo...!

joeyE Apr 27, 19 8:43 am


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041168)
I donít know why AA sent that email today promoting as if this was news. Sounds like bookings on some routes arenít doing so hot and AA felt compelled to ďremindĒ their customers about the new routes.

Drip marketing. Many businesses do it as a part of segmenting/marketing. Potential customers often need to hear a message 7 times before it finally sticks & resonates.

wetrat0 Apr 27, 19 8:46 am


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 31042115)
Yes, but one can't really expect much origin and destination demand on PHL-TXL. It's really competing xxx-PHL-TXL, and oneworld already has a lot of North America-origin xxx-LHR-TXL for that. AA and BA have the JV and must think it's worth the duplication, however - at least as a seasonal effort. We'll know more if it comes back for 2020.

There are a lot of xxx cities that have service to PHL but not to LHR.... In which case it's not duplication.

USFlyerUS Apr 27, 19 8:49 am


Originally Posted by joeyE (Post 31042526)
Drip marketing. Many businesses do it as a part of segmenting/marketing. Potential customers often need to hear a message 7 times before it finally sticks & resonates.

And the fact many are just now finalizing their summer travel plans. It's good timing to remind people.

aztimm Apr 27, 19 8:56 am


Originally Posted by wetrat0 (Post 31042535)
There are a lot of xxx cities that have service to PHL but not to LHR.... In which case it's not duplication.

Exactly. While BA may have flights to BNA, IND, PIT, and other mid-sized US areas, I doubt we'll ever see LHR-AVP, BUF, ITH, ALB, MDT, IPT, ERI....just to name a few (some of those airports probably couldn't even handle a long range aircraft). Yet each of those have nonstop flights to PHL, making 1-stop connections to TXL, or elsewhere in Europe.
I regularly fly to AVP to visit family, and am always surprised how busy the late afternoon AVP-PHL flights are. And when the FA's read through the connections, many pax are going to Europe. It might only be a 2 hour drive to PHL...but then they'd have to deal with PHL -v- beginning and ending the trip in the convenience of a nice little airport.

Flying Yazata Apr 27, 19 12:54 pm

To me PHL is just not that great as a TATL connecting point with AA. No Flagship Lounge, so you don't get the full experience with AA. OTOH, I can make use of the AMEX Centurion Lounge, but that's not thanks to the airline. But I guess it makes sense to focus all the oddball TATL routes at one Eastcoast airport. Taken that there's no AB and it's going to continue that there's a hole in OW in terms of the coverage in Continental Europe, AA will hopefully tap as much as possible to that market area. PRG and BUD are not directly that market, but some nice additions besides the German destinations. WAW or CPH could be interesting.

teemuflyer Apr 27, 19 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by C46 (Post 31041645)
I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

To me, as a German, Berlin is highly overrated, as a tourist attraction. It's okay for a 2-day trip and/or if one chooses to explore the pub/club scene; I don't see many further attractions for tourists, within a 100-mile radius.
And as a business route, it shouldn't work, due to the short season. Furthermore the hard product will not attract many Germans, to choose AA over DL to JFK.

I'll defer to you to a certain level, but when we visited we loved Museum Island (all day event), Check Point Charlie and surrounding museums and the TV Tower and surrounding areas. If you're in to history, plenty to see. We also enjoyed the numerous Christmas Markets, given the time of year. And I'd go back to Berlin just for the restaurant Henne, best fried chicken I think I've ever had. But I digress..

It seems that we all sometimes fall into the "from" to only analysis. By this I mean, there might actually be Berliners wanting to visit the US during the summer, and having a direct flight to a hub city like PHL from where one can reach almost all major 48 state destinations is possible, might come into play. It's not just Americans wanting to visit Berlin..

footballfanatic Apr 27, 19 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 31042115)
Yes, but one can't really expect much origin and destination demand on PHL-TXL. It's really competing xxx-PHL-TXL, and oneworld already has a lot of North America-origin xxx-LHR-TXL for that. AA and BA have the JV and must think it's worth the duplication, however - at least as a seasonal effort. We'll know more if it comes back for 2020.

if only it were LAX/DFW/MIA/JFK-BER-xxx...that would have been great to have a second OneWorld hub deep in Europe.

perseus11 Apr 28, 19 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Yazata (Post 31043150)
To me PHL is just not that great as a TATL connecting point with AA. No Flagship Lounge, so you don't get the full experience with AA.........

Then you should also avoid connecting via the largest AA Hub, DFW. :p

N830MH Apr 28, 19 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041195)
Actually, I wouldn't at all be surprised if AA returned to Israel, once additional 787-900s arrive. ;)

I am pretty sure about this. I think they will have reconsider to TLV. Probably not for a while.


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 31041346)
That'is not the reason why AA currently isn’t serving TLV.


Unfortunately not, I don't think returns to TLV anytime soon. I don't think they coming back.


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041370)
I know AA stated they lost $20 million on their PHL-TLV route and the route was being canceled for financial reasons. However, from what I understand that a group of former TWA employees reached a settlement with AA but the settlement money allegedly was never paid. AA cannot operate into TLV and avoid addressing this issue.

I think post merger AA can do well in TLV operating ORD-TLV rather than PHL-TLV.

Yes, former TWA employees never got pay it back. That's big problem. They losing the money and they couldn't have enough profitability.

I do not think they ever returns to TLV. They won't be back to TLV for a long time. They will seized the plane.


Originally Posted by aztimm (Post 31042483)
Perhaps they'll be able to fly to BER in 2020??? ;)

No, actually, it's 2021. They will open it up in 2021 or so.

Flying Yazata Apr 29, 19 7:14 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31047216)
Then you should also avoid connecting via the largest AA Hub, DFW

Except they have the Premium Lounge available until the new Flagship one is opened, so there's something available right now. :) But then again Philly too should be getting one.


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