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joeyE Apr 27, 19 8:43 am


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041168)
I don’t know why AA sent that email today promoting as if this was news. Sounds like bookings on some routes aren’t doing so hot and AA felt compelled to “remind” their customers about the new routes.

Drip marketing. Many businesses do it as a part of segmenting/marketing. Potential customers often need to hear a message 7 times before it finally sticks & resonates.

wetrat0 Apr 27, 19 8:46 am


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 31042115)
Yes, but one can't really expect much origin and destination demand on PHL-TXL. It's really competing xxx-PHL-TXL, and oneworld already has a lot of North America-origin xxx-LHR-TXL for that. AA and BA have the JV and must think it's worth the duplication, however - at least as a seasonal effort. We'll know more if it comes back for 2020.

There are a lot of xxx cities that have service to PHL but not to LHR.... In which case it's not duplication.

USFlyerUS Apr 27, 19 8:49 am


Originally Posted by joeyE (Post 31042526)
Drip marketing. Many businesses do it as a part of segmenting/marketing. Potential customers often need to hear a message 7 times before it finally sticks & resonates.

And the fact many are just now finalizing their summer travel plans. It's good timing to remind people.

aztimm Apr 27, 19 8:56 am


Originally Posted by wetrat0 (Post 31042535)
There are a lot of xxx cities that have service to PHL but not to LHR.... In which case it's not duplication.

Exactly. While BA may have flights to BNA, IND, PIT, and other mid-sized US areas, I doubt we'll ever see LHR-AVP, BUF, ITH, ALB, MDT, IPT, ERI....just to name a few (some of those airports probably couldn't even handle a long range aircraft). Yet each of those have nonstop flights to PHL, making 1-stop connections to TXL, or elsewhere in Europe.
I regularly fly to AVP to visit family, and am always surprised how busy the late afternoon AVP-PHL flights are. And when the FA's read through the connections, many pax are going to Europe. It might only be a 2 hour drive to PHL...but then they'd have to deal with PHL -v- beginning and ending the trip in the convenience of a nice little airport.

Flying Yazata Apr 27, 19 12:54 pm

To me PHL is just not that great as a TATL connecting point with AA. No Flagship Lounge, so you don't get the full experience with AA. OTOH, I can make use of the AMEX Centurion Lounge, but that's not thanks to the airline. But I guess it makes sense to focus all the oddball TATL routes at one Eastcoast airport. Taken that there's no AB and it's going to continue that there's a hole in OW in terms of the coverage in Continental Europe, AA will hopefully tap as much as possible to that market area. PRG and BUD are not directly that market, but some nice additions besides the German destinations. WAW or CPH could be interesting.

teemuflyer Apr 27, 19 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by C46 (Post 31041645)
I would be very surprised, if the TXL-route returns in 2020.

To me, as a German, Berlin is highly overrated, as a tourist attraction. It's okay for a 2-day trip and/or if one chooses to explore the pub/club scene; I don't see many further attractions for tourists, within a 100-mile radius.
And as a business route, it shouldn't work, due to the short season. Furthermore the hard product will not attract many Germans, to choose AA over DL to JFK.

I'll defer to you to a certain level, but when we visited we loved Museum Island (all day event), Check Point Charlie and surrounding museums and the TV Tower and surrounding areas. If you're in to history, plenty to see. We also enjoyed the numerous Christmas Markets, given the time of year. And I'd go back to Berlin just for the restaurant Henne, best fried chicken I think I've ever had. But I digress..

It seems that we all sometimes fall into the "from" to only analysis. By this I mean, there might actually be Berliners wanting to visit the US during the summer, and having a direct flight to a hub city like PHL from where one can reach almost all major 48 state destinations is possible, might come into play. It's not just Americans wanting to visit Berlin..

footballfanatic Apr 27, 19 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 31042115)
Yes, but one can't really expect much origin and destination demand on PHL-TXL. It's really competing xxx-PHL-TXL, and oneworld already has a lot of North America-origin xxx-LHR-TXL for that. AA and BA have the JV and must think it's worth the duplication, however - at least as a seasonal effort. We'll know more if it comes back for 2020.

if only it were LAX/DFW/MIA/JFK-BER-xxx...that would have been great to have a second OneWorld hub deep in Europe.

perseus11 Apr 28, 19 9:27 pm


Originally Posted by Flying Yazata (Post 31043150)
To me PHL is just not that great as a TATL connecting point with AA. No Flagship Lounge, so you don't get the full experience with AA.........

Then you should also avoid connecting via the largest AA Hub, DFW. :p

N830MH Apr 28, 19 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31041195)
Actually, I wouldn't at all be surprised if AA returned to Israel, once additional 787-900s arrive. ;)

I am pretty sure about this. I think they will have reconsider to TLV. Probably not for a while.


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 31041346)
That'is not the reason why AA currently isn’t serving TLV.


Unfortunately not, I don't think returns to TLV anytime soon. I don't think they coming back.


Originally Posted by golfingboy (Post 31041370)
I know AA stated they lost $20 million on their PHL-TLV route and the route was being canceled for financial reasons. However, from what I understand that a group of former TWA employees reached a settlement with AA but the settlement money allegedly was never paid. AA cannot operate into TLV and avoid addressing this issue.

I think post merger AA can do well in TLV operating ORD-TLV rather than PHL-TLV.

Yes, former TWA employees never got pay it back. That's big problem. They losing the money and they couldn't have enough profitability.

I do not think they ever returns to TLV. They won't be back to TLV for a long time. They will seized the plane.


Originally Posted by aztimm (Post 31042483)
Perhaps they'll be able to fly to BER in 2020??? ;)

No, actually, it's 2021. They will open it up in 2021 or so.

Flying Yazata Apr 29, 19 7:14 am


Originally Posted by perseus11 (Post 31047216)
Then you should also avoid connecting via the largest AA Hub, DFW

Except they have the Premium Lounge available until the new Flagship one is opened, so there's something available right now. :) But then again Philly too should be getting one.


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