I知 leaving - I guess AA won't miss me
#46
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For F travel, it matters less, but usually you get some added flexibility around making changes (different policies on different airlines, but most offer some sort of free SDC at least; AS offers waived change fees outright; AA offers free changes or waived redeposit fees on award tickets). Also you tend to get treated better in case of IRROPS, which is usually irrelevant, until the one time that it's really, really relevant.
Picking an airline for redeemable miles is a sucker's game for the most part, so I agree with you there. Ever since most airlines have gone to revenue-based RDM it's basically worthless (*) -- you can get a lot more miles by churning credit cards, doing MS on credit cards, or through various promotions. You can spend $50k a year with AA and I'll still get more AA RDM than you from Citi without setting foot on a plane. Of course you will be CK so you will be treated better
* AS is the exception here -- they are still distance based and there are routes where the RDM have significant value compared to the cost of the ticket, especially when stacked with certain promos.
#47
formerly jackvogt
Join Date: Dec 2015
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People said it earlier in this thread but the airlines are giving the people what they wanted. They want to fly across the country for less than $300. I have to assume that frequent business flyers aren't the majority of their passengers. So airlines can't afford to cater just to that group despite what everyone would want.
This is the great thing about our country...and most I suppose, if you don't like AA you don't have to fly them. You have the option of choosing whoever you please based on their product and pricing. I despise AA but if the price is right and the timing is convenient, I have no problem choosing them over my much preferred Delta. As long as we exercise that right, prices will remain competitive and airlines will try to top each other with improvements.
This is the great thing about our country...and most I suppose, if you don't like AA you don't have to fly them. You have the option of choosing whoever you please based on their product and pricing. I despise AA but if the price is right and the timing is convenient, I have no problem choosing them over my much preferred Delta. As long as we exercise that right, prices will remain competitive and airlines will try to top each other with improvements.
#48
Join Date: Sep 2000
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Watching the very slow, painful downward spiral of AA under PMUS leadership is quite unfortunate, but not surprising. Parker, et al took US and flew it into the ground when they merged it with HP. Today, AA is a tale of two airlines. By and large, their TATL and TPAC premium product is goof and competitive with DL and UA. The domestic product is a hot mess and their customer services (sans the EXP desk which is lovely) is absolutely in the toilet. Actually, that's kind of insulting to the toilet.
#49
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I have to very much disagree that Parker and Co. drove US into the ground when HP and US married. Both airlines were mega regionals and neither were doing spectacularly well independently. Together they became a nationwide carrier with significant synergy and force. Indeed, HP+US really was a 1+1=3 marriage. Good enough that in 2012, US was solvent and AA was in bankruptcy.....
the only reason AA declared bankruptcy was to merge with US by taking 300 new aircraft orders.
#50
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Planes are overbooked completely full a week in advance - I've had to take connections on last minute tickets because the nonstops are zeroed. And
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
#51
Join Date: Nov 2017
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Planes are overbooked completely full a week in advance - I've had to take connections on last minute tickets because the nonstops are zeroed. And
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
-James
#52
Join Date: Dec 2006
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Cheers!
#53
Join Date: Feb 2003
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As someone who flew US 200K+ miles each year during the HP-US merger, I disagree. It was nowhere near a mess. Nor was the US-AA merger. Mergers always have some challenges, but I wouldn't classify those as being a mess.
#54
Join Date: Oct 2014
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Planes are overbooked completely full a week in advance - I've had to take connections on last minute tickets because the nonstops are zeroed. And
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
every flight I've boarded in the past two weeks have required 4-6 volunteers, with voucher offers of $800-975. This summer is going to be a mess.
#55
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: QDF
Programs: AA EXP (2MM), Marriott Tit
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Then they should bite the bullet and do it. Stop spending money on Flagship Lounges, etc. and decide what you want to be when you grow up! It's not what I want, but it would at least be a coherent strategy.
#57
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In other words, a good time to go flying if you've got the time to be "inconvenienced" by an overbooking scenario . I for one, wouldn't mind catching a later outbound flight on some of the $7 award tickets I've got with UA if it means I'll get several hundred in flight coupons.
-James
-James
#59
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I have to very much disagree that Parker and Co. drove US into the ground when HP and US married. Both airlines were mega regionals and neither were doing spectacularly well independently. Together they became a nationwide carrier with significant synergy and force. Indeed, HP+US really was a 1+1=3 marriage. Good enough that in 2012, US was solvent and AA was in bankruptcy.....
In exchange, we got PHX as a hub...imagine my joy. Sure the route network may have improved but the hard and the soft products suffered immensely. Five years in to the US-AA merger and Parker still has plane in the air flying transcon routes without so much as a power port. He still has widebodies in the air where tablets are passed out for IFE in the J cabin.
All Parker seems to do is fly decent airlines into the ground. And, to keep this on topic, he doesn't seem to miss his HVCs when they leave.
#60
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this is like the United "bring back the Tulip" revisionist history stuff. If the old AA was so above LUS and Parker, they wouldnt be here.