ARCHIVE: AAdvantage Million Miler Program as of Dec 2011 (master thd)
Nov 30, 2011, 6:40 pm
#1351
Join Date: May 2010
Location: jfk
Programs: AA- exp 8.2MM, SQ, DL, spg plat
Posts: 284
No credit for money paid
As someone who typically pays for J/F, and was seriously considering moving to AA's FFP, having had some excellent recent inflight experiences, this is the biggest disappointment.
So whether I fly JFK-LAX on a $3000 J/F fare or a $500 S/N fare, the million miler credit is the same? Seriously!?
So whether I fly JFK-LAX on a $3000 J/F fare or a $500 S/N fare, the million miler credit is the same? Seriously!?
I understand disallowing non-airline related miles but not to give credit for revenue is counterproductive.
I am just short of 9MM and frankly, I use the EVIPs to upgrade from C to F mostly on transpac flights where I actually have a choice between AA (transit in NRT) and CX (transit in HKG). in my case, the only way that I will fly AA (and pay business class) is if I can use an EVIP as their C product is totally non-competitive. If I don't have them to use, I will fly the new CX product and get full AA benefits......
My only hope is that this filing knocks some sense into management and they start to realize what they selling in relation to their competition and what they have to do to keep their premium travelers from bolting after the hights level that they can qualify for
Nov 30, 2011, 7:31 pm
#1352
Join Date: Aug 2008
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 1,714
I unfortunately have to agree with you that this is totally nuts and another in a long line of blunders where it seems that no one thinks a situation totally through. In my opinion, this is one of the underlying reasons for their filing as they continued to lose premium revenue and irritate long-time customers
I understand disallowing non-airline related miles but not to give credit for revenue is counterproductive.
I understand disallowing non-airline related miles but not to give credit for revenue is counterproductive.
The MM program is (now) all about recognizing and rewarding those who fly a lot of actual BIS miles with AA and I don't see why revenue should be expected to come in to it. If it's such a good idea to link all status goals with revenue why is there such a commotion going on over at UA/CO?
Nov 30, 2011, 7:40 pm
#1353
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP / LT PLT / 3MM, Marriott LT Gold
Posts: 35,387
I'm going to respectfully disagree. High revenue flyers get the benefit of getting status (EXP) by flying less miles than those flying on cheaper tickets (DEQMs aside)...and that's exactly how it should be. There should be added benefits to paying for J and F seats. You could also argue that high revenue flyers also get CK service as an added "thank you"...I guess it depends on what you consider "high revenue".
The MM program is (now) all about recognizing and rewarding those who fly a lot of actual BIS miles with AA and I don't see why revenue should be expected to come in to it. If it's such a good idea to link all status goals with revenue why is there such a commotion going on over at UA/CO?
The MM program is (now) all about recognizing and rewarding those who fly a lot of actual BIS miles with AA and I don't see why revenue should be expected to come in to it. If it's such a good idea to link all status goals with revenue why is there such a commotion going on over at UA/CO?
Nov 30, 2011, 8:15 pm
#1354
Join Date: May 2008
Programs: AA PLT 2MM
Posts: 2,026
Do you get the 35K Miles in addition to 8 Upgrade stickers? I just made MM and since I dont fly AA much (read that not at all - get miles from BankDIrect) I would much rather have 35K RDM than 8 Upgrade stickers that I cant use (I have over 50 from when I used to be EXP).
Dec 1, 2011, 11:55 am
#1355
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Durham, NC (RDU/GSO/CLT)
Programs: AA EXP/MM, DL GM, UA Platinum, HH DIA, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 33,857
I guess it's officially here
Dec 1, 2011, 12:44 pm
#1356
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: LGA
Programs: HHonors Diamond, AA PLT
Posts: 195
Will purchases made today count or was yesterday the last day? I made a bunch of purchases and my card got locked last night and I wasn't able to make a last minute purchase for ~600 miles.
Dec 5, 2011, 5:11 am
#1357
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: JFK, DCA, BUR, YVR
Programs: AC, AS, BA, DL, HH (D), MR (T/LTP), UA (*S), UScAAre (PLT/1,87MM), WN
Posts: 5,207
As a reference point, my Citibank debit card miles posted this morning w/ a date of 30 Nov. This caused the miles to be added to my MM balance. In short, so long as your transaction occurred on/before the 30th, you should be okay. What would be interesting to see is if AAdvantage Eshopping purchase subtractions will also subtract from the MM total. Under the old scheme, this did not happen.
Dec 6, 2011, 5:59 am
#1358
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Scarsdale, NY USA; LT PLT AA; AA 3 mm (4 mm will never happen); Hilton Diamond, Marriott Silver, AA is clueless why I fly
Posts: 754
As a reference point, my Citibank debit card miles posted this morning w/ a date of 30 Nov. This caused the miles to be added to my MM balance. In short, so long as your transaction occurred on/before the 30th, you should be okay. What would be interesting to see is if AAdvantage Eshopping purchase subtractions will also subtract from the MM total. Under the old scheme, this did not happen.
Am only 6,200 miles away from the next million and have some very late November dines plus a flight SFO-JFK later this week. I can taste the SWUs....the last I will ever see.
As a side note, and I am assuming AA realized this would cause a loss of revenue, nearly all of my future non-flight mileage earning (dining, shopping, hotels, rental cars) will now be directed to other airlines to build up my airmiles for free tickets with them. Before December 1st it was almost exclusively AA.
Dec 6, 2011, 6:20 am
#1359
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: country Western Australia
Programs: QF SG(LTS) - AA LTG(1MM)
Posts: 2,771
Dec 6, 2011, 6:34 am
#1360
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: JFK, DCA, BUR, YVR
Programs: AC, AS, BA, DL, HH (D), MR (T/LTP), UA (*S), UScAAre (PLT/1,87MM), WN
Posts: 5,207
Are you sure they did not get subtracted? I certainly know they were subtracted from the total available miles. But I never looked to see if they subtracted them from the million miles.
Am only 6,200 miles away from the next million and have some very late November dines plus a flight SFO-JFK later this week. I can taste the SWUs....the last I will ever see.
As a side note, and I am assuming AA realized this would cause a loss of revenue, nearly all of my future non-flight mileage earning (dining, shopping, hotels, rental cars) will now be directed to other airlines to build up my airmiles for free tickets with them. Before December 1st it was almost exclusively AA.
Am only 6,200 miles away from the next million and have some very late November dines plus a flight SFO-JFK later this week. I can taste the SWUs....the last I will ever see.
As a side note, and I am assuming AA realized this would cause a loss of revenue, nearly all of my future non-flight mileage earning (dining, shopping, hotels, rental cars) will now be directed to other airlines to build up my airmiles for free tickets with them. Before December 1st it was almost exclusively AA.
Re: partner earning, I have always used the shopping portal of the airline that offered the most miles/$. This will not change. I will likely move my car rentals to WN and my Hilton double dip to UA or DL depending on promo.
Anyway, I am envious of your 3MM status. Enjoy!
Last edited by uxb; Dec 6, 2011 at 6:40 am
Dec 6, 2011, 9:51 am
#1361
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: AA Plat4Life4MM/DL MM SM4Life, UA/CO 1K
Posts: 645
What happened to all of us who have achieved these
thresholds in years past and did not received anything except the lifetime Gold, then lifetime Platinum. At 4.7 millions, I did not get anything at my 3MM, nothing at 4MM either.
Thanks for any help to clearify this issue.
Thanks for any help to clearify this issue.
Dec 6, 2011, 10:02 am
#1362
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
Which other USA-based airlines have fuel surcharges on their OWN award inventory?
I'll save you the trouble: that would be "zero".
(Europe, Asia and Canada are different. Very different- in many cases there is a national airline with overwhelming market share like LH, SQ, AC, AF and so on, you aren't flying domestic routes that are 5-9 hours, and so on.)
The day AA does this (if they do it), expect WN to go to town in advertising:"When we say 'free flights for awards', we mean it. We don't stick you with hundreds of dollars of fuel charges and junk fees.", the same way that they hammer home no baggage/change fees.
Given that fuel's the major component of air travel, it would make domestic flight awards almost useless (and thus make those lucrative credit card deals nearly useless)- 25,000 miles for maybe a 20% cut in the price of airfare? Fuggedaboudit.
I'll save you the trouble: that would be "zero".
(Europe, Asia and Canada are different. Very different- in many cases there is a national airline with overwhelming market share like LH, SQ, AC, AF and so on, you aren't flying domestic routes that are 5-9 hours, and so on.)
The day AA does this (if they do it), expect WN to go to town in advertising:"When we say 'free flights for awards', we mean it. We don't stick you with hundreds of dollars of fuel charges and junk fees.", the same way that they hammer home no baggage/change fees.
Given that fuel's the major component of air travel, it would make domestic flight awards almost useless (and thus make those lucrative credit card deals nearly useless)- 25,000 miles for maybe a 20% cut in the price of airfare? Fuggedaboudit.
Dec 6, 2011, 10:05 am
#1363
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
Dec 6, 2011, 10:11 am
#1364
Join Date: May 2003
Programs: AA (1MM), Marriott (LT Gold)
Posts: 1,766
You'd be the first that I've seen report that they didn't get anything for passing MM thresholds in the past. You apparently did not use the SWU's that were given to you.
Dec 6, 2011, 6:30 pm
#1365
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: AA Plat4Life4MM/DL MM SM4Life, UA/CO 1K
Posts: 645
I am serious...I was sent a congratulatory letter for my 4MM in 2005 and I still have that email, and nothing mentioned in the letter. And my boss, he passed 7 MM and his letter said no such things as the eVPs either.