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which hub(s) do you think AA really values?

Old Apr 12, 19, 5:32 pm
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which hub(s) do you think AA really values?

Wondering which hub(s) AA today favors?

From my observation, it looks like AA highly favors DFW, CLT, and PHX, and maybe LAX as their “top” hubs, with PHL, MIA/ORD (tied), and JFK trailing behind (in that order).

”Top” and “favoring” in terms of number of aircraft, quality aircraft, schedule, and overall hub treatment. Also wonder if AA prefers pmUS or pmAA hubs overall?

Curious for your perspectives.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 5:44 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369 View Post
Wondering which hub(s) AA today favors?

From my observation, it looks like AA highly favors DFW, CLT, and PHX, and maybe LAX as their “top” hubs, with PHL, MIA/ORD (tied), and JFK trailing behind (in that order).

”Top” and “favoring” in terms of number of aircraft, quality aircraft, schedule, and overall hub treatment. Also wonder if AA prefers pmUS or pmAA hubs overall?

Curious for your perspectives.
AA has been pretty transparent in terms of which it values in terms of profitability. Take a look at pages 12-15 of this deck:

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...1-9ff439f710d1
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Old Apr 12, 19, 5:50 pm
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I think it's CLT > DFW > DCA/PHL >> LAX >>>> MIA/ORD >> PHX >> LGA/JFK.

I think PMUS management prefers DFW, CLT, PHL, and DCA because they are rather profitable, and AA is mostly the only game in town.

The equipment goes where they need it based on number of seats and where they can maintain it. ORD is a 787 base because of the lesser international demand. More new and "nice" equipment goes to London than South America because those routes are more competitive.

JFK and LAX are important for corporate and Hollywood contracts. AA has said that traffic on the A321T routes has grown more on the LAX than the JFK side.

Due to the relative size of metropolitan areas, the PMAA hubs have more O&D traffic than the PMUS hubs; I believe CLT is their most profitable hub because of a significant north-south one-stop connecting market. The business model of US was more based on connecting traffic; supposedly when US management took over they didn't like DFW much because the airport was set up to minimize the distance from a customer's car in the garage to the plane, which made it poor for connections.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by AAEmpireState View Post


AA has been pretty transparent in terms of which it values in terms of profitability. Take a look at pages 12-15 of this deck:

https://americanairlines.gcs-web.com...1-9ff439f710d1
Does "Most Profitable Hub" mean it generates more total profits to the overall AA bottom line than any other Hub, or does it mean that it generates more profit/passenger revenue than any other Hub? DFW is likely both, but CLT and DCA - I suggest it's the latter.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 12:23 am
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Originally Posted by VFR View Post
I think it's CLT > DFW > DCA/PHL >> LAX >>>> MIA/ORD >> PHX >> LGA/JFK
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I like everything you said but wouldn’t lump DCA with PHL. Their markets seems to be quite different...PHL being a large connecting hub with a ton of TATL traffic, DCA probably having a little more of an O&D base in a higher profile city.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by joeyE View Post
I like everything you said but wouldn’t lump DCA with PHL. Their markets seems to be quite different...PHL being a large connecting hub with a ton of TATL traffic, DCA probably having a little more of an O&D base in a higher profile city.
They’re obviously completely different markets in terms of their strategic place in AA’s network as you state, but I think they are fairly similar in importance to AA.
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369 View Post
Wondering which hub(s) AA today favors?

From my observation, it looks like AA highly favors DFW, CLT, and PHX, and maybe LAX as their “top” hubs, with PHL, MIA/ORD (tied), and JFK trailing behind (in that order).

”Top” and “favoring” in terms of number of aircraft, quality aircraft, schedule, and overall hub treatment. Also wonder if AA prefers pmUS or pmAA hubs overall?

Curious for your perspectives.
You didn't ask the 700 FAs that were told they need to leave PHX for their opinion?
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Old Apr 13, 19, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny View Post
You didn't ask the 700 FAs that were told they need to leave PHX for their opinion?
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Originally Posted by Uncle Nonny View Post
You didn't ask the 700 FAs that were told they need to leave PHX for their opinion?
You are the king of the one-liners. ^
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Based on AA's actions, in terms of growth, I'd group the hubs into 3 tiers:
Tier 1: DFW, CLT, DCA - have seen the most growth recently and are listed as most profitable hubs in their presentation slide show
Tier 2: PHL, MIA, PHX, LAX - have seen slower growth, some cuts, but still play an important role in AA's network
Tier 3: JFK, ORD - have mostly seen cuts. When AA decides to close a hub, one (likely JFK) or maybe both are likely candidates
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Old Apr 13, 19, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Austin787 View Post
Based on AA's actions, in terms of growth, I'd group the hubs into 3 tiers:
Tier 1: DFW, CLT, DCA - have seen the most growth recently and are listed as most profitable hubs in their presentation slide show
Tier 2: PHL, MIA, PHX, LAX - have seen slower growth, some cuts, but still play an important role in AA's network
Tier 3: JFK, ORD - have mostly seen cuts. When AA decides to close a hub, one (likely JFK) or maybe both are likely candidates
CLT is likely the most valued hub for AA. It has the lowest landing costs, lowest labor costs, no competition, flights can land and takeoff way into the night. DFW as the operations center of gravity for AA, but DFW does have rising costs, fees, and labor challenges that CLT is immune from.


I think ORD goes away as a hub. They seem to be copying what Delta did at DFW. Delta transitioned from Mainline then Regional aircraft at DFW, closed the "Delta Crown Room", and eventually shattered the hub. I see the same for ORD. AA will not compete head to head on a large scale with a peer airline.

Despite what is generally accepted as positive growth, I speculate LAX's growth plans may reverse for AA, as Chairman Parker is fearful to compete, which makes sense with a much larger and monstrous debt burden to service every month, than AA's peer competitors. LAX has three strong peer competitors. If I was a PHX flight attendant, I might not sell my house just yet.

The big question is- where can AA move aircraft, be profitable, and not have competition...... Chairman Parker has a huge challenge with huge debt payments every month, exposure to fuel prices because of not hedging, and labor costs at the same level as its peers. I sense Chairman Parker's fighting position will be the continuation of adding more seats to every aircraft.

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Old Apr 13, 19, 5:14 pm
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Based on responses here, it seems like today's AA favors more of the pmUS hubs, with the exception of DFW (which was pmAA's main home hub).

I wonder what's wrong with ORD, though? It's nice because it's a competitive hub with UA, it's centrally located, and it also commands more premium fares, IMHO, due to it being an attractive midwestern major city and metropolitan area. So, why do you think AA has been cutting ORD?

IMHO, I think CLT is probably the worst hub in the system. Tight, smelly, crowded, surly employees with fake Southern friendliness that goes out of the window fast... I'd choose even PHL over CLT, IMHO. Why would AA want to choose CLT as one of its top hubs? If CLT was in a sparkling new building with huge facilities and plenty of room (like JFK), then I'd understand, perhaps.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369 View Post
Based on responses here, it seems like today's AA favors more of the pmUS hubs, with the exception of DFW (which was pmAA's main home hub).

I wonder what's wrong with ORD, though? It's nice because it's a competitive hub with UA, it's centrally located, and it also commands more premium fares, IMHO, due to it being an attractive midwestern major city and metropolitan area. So, why do you think AA has been cutting ORD?

IMHO, I think CLT is probably the worst hub in the system. Tight, smelly, crowded, surly employees with fake Southern friendliness that goes out of the window fast... I'd choose even PHL over CLT, IMHO. Why would AA want to choose CLT as one of its top hubs? If CLT was in a sparkling new building with huge facilities and plenty of room (like JFK), then I'd understand, perhaps.
I dunno I like CLT. YMMV. FWIW, I do not find any of the CLT folks surly.

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Old Apr 13, 19, 6:11 pm
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Originally Posted by GunsOfNavarone View Post
Delta transitioned from Mainline then Regional aircraft at DFW, closed the "Delta Crown Room", and eventually shattered the hub. I see the same for ORD. AA will not compete head to head on a large scale with a peer airline.
Even if ORD is de-hubbed, I would expect AA to maintain an AC there (IIRC, DL has always had at least one lounge at DFW...could be wrong though). These will always be major stations, hub or no hub.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 7:17 pm
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Isn’t the ORD hub still larger than LAX, DCA, MIA, PHX, and JFK/LGA...?

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