AA 300 (N114NN) hits sign on / about takeoff from JFK and returns (10 Apr 2019)
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Probably, but clearly the crew was prudent to return to JFK since they had no idea the extent of the damage, if any. I'm assume that something didn't feel or sound right. Would have loved to have heard the cockpit conversation in the 10 minutes between take off and the decision to return.
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Correct, after landing in Doha a hull defect was detected. Obviously the plane hit the antenna with its tail.
(you can google the full NTSB report).
Consequently, 2 out of the 4 pilots were given the boot. There was a similar incident with an EK A340-500 (I think in Johannesburg) around that time as well; the airplane returned to the airport (they also lost their jobs). Both Pilot/ 1st O did not recognise that they've entered the wrong departure weight.
(you can google the full NTSB report).
Consequently, 2 out of the 4 pilots were given the boot. There was a similar incident with an EK A340-500 (I think in Johannesburg) around that time as well; the airplane returned to the airport (they also lost their jobs). Both Pilot/ 1st O did not recognise that they've entered the wrong departure weight.
unreal. Glad the crew here did the smart thing after impact. Am very curious at to what caused this - extremely bizarre.
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Probably, but clearly the crew was prudent to return to JFK since they had no idea the extent of the damage, if any. I'm assume that something didn't feel or sound right. Would have loved to have heard the cockpit conversation in the 10 minutes between take off and the decision to return.
It's not the sort of question that you want to answer by trying it to see what happens.
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Found a video link of the damaged wing posted on one of the other websites, hopefully it works: https://streamable.com/v7ur3
This is a lot more telling. That wing was dragging on the ground by its underside.
This is a lot more telling. That wing was dragging on the ground by its underside.
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Wingtip actually dragged along the ground? Wow.
Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.
I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.
I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
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Wingtip actually dragged along the ground? Wow.
Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.
I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.
I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
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Another story a week later with an eye catching headline... "American Airlines jet nearly crashed during takeoff at JFK last week".
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/
Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.
One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/
Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.
One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
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Another story a week later with an eye catching headline... "American Airlines jet nearly crashed during takeoff at JFK last week".
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/
Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.
One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/
Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.
One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
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Let's give a plug to Simon Hradecky and his AV Herald, where a post today claims that the she was on the fateful AA 300:
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By ELizabeth Lucsko on Wednesday, Apr 17th 2019 22:11Z
I was aboard this aircraft. The take off was fast, rather quick and felt short. Then we pitched down and banked right (left wing up) and then left (right wing up) and the back felt to skid out sideways, I was in the window seat just behind the left win .....
By ELizabeth Lucsko on Wednesday, Apr 17th 2019 22:11Z
I was aboard this aircraft. The take off was fast, rather quick and felt short. Then we pitched down and banked right (left wing up) and then left (right wing up) and the back felt to skid out sideways, I was in the window seat just behind the left win .....
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Dont think so. If Im not mistaken the airframe was N114NN which hasnt flown since. I heard somewhere they were scrapping the airframe. Not an expert but seems weird they couldnt repair it and would instead scrap it...