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AA 300 hits sign on / about takeoff from JFK and returns (10 Apr 2019)

AA 300 hits sign on / about takeoff from JFK and returns (10 Apr 2019)

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Old Apr 12, 19, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by bchandler02 View Post
Continued flight with physical damage??
According to the NTSB report flight crew regarded it as a 'simple' tail strike and opted to fly to their home base for repair.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 9:45 am
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Could AA300 have flown and landed safely with the wing tip in that condition?
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:02 am
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Originally Posted by nismo240ssx View Post
Could AA300 have flown and landed safely with the wing tip in that condition?

I presume you mean all the way to LAX. No way of knowing. Possible that at cruise speed/altitude more damage could occur.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:03 am
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Originally Posted by nismo240ssx View Post
Could AA300 have flown and landed safely with the wing tip in that condition?
Probably, but clearly the crew was prudent to return to JFK since they had no idea the extent of the damage, if any. I'm assume that something didn't feel or sound right. Would have loved to have heard the cockpit conversation in the 10 minutes between take off and the decision to return.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by nismo240ssx View Post
Could AA300 have flown and landed safely with the wing tip in that condition?
It did

Originally Posted by nachosdelux View Post
I presume you mean all the way to LAX. No way of knowing. Possible that at cruise speed/altitude more damage could occur.
This.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Duck1981 View Post
Correct, after landing in Doha a hull defect was detected. Obviously the plane hit the antenna with its tail.

(you can google the full NTSB report).

Consequently, 2 out of the 4 pilots were given the boot. There was a similar incident with an EK A340-500 (I think in Johannesburg) around that time as well; the airplane returned to the airport (they also lost their jobs). Both Pilot/ 1st O did not recognise that they've entered the wrong departure weight.
there was an Air India flight a few months ago that hit a wall on takeoff and tore up the underside. Pilots disregarded ATC warning that they hit something and continued on to DXB. Halfway to DXB overwater they were sent back and diverted to BOM.

unreal. Glad the crew here did the smart thing after impact. Am very curious at to what caused this - extremely bizarre.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by SFO777 View Post
Probably, but clearly the crew was prudent to return to JFK since they had no idea the extent of the damage, if any. I'm assume that something didn't feel or sound right. Would have loved to have heard the cockpit conversation in the 10 minutes between take off and the decision to return.
It's not the sort of question that you want to answer by trying it to see what happens.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 10:57 am
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Found a video link of the damaged wing posted on one of the other websites, hopefully it works: https://streamable.com/v7ur3

This is a lot more telling. That wing was dragging on the ground by its underside.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 11:39 am
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Wingtip actually dragged along the ground? Wow.

Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.

I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
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Old Apr 12, 19, 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by CPRich View Post
Wingtip actually dragged along the ground? Wow.

Google's measurement tool says the DTG marker is >175 from centerline, >75 feet from the lined edge of the runway. That damage is at least 5 feet from the wingtip. If 59 feet from aircraft center to wingtip is correct, that means the aircraft centerline was more then 20 feet off the lined edge of the runway., dragging it's wing on the ground. It could have been a lot worse.

I'm surprised it took more than a minute after being airborne to request a return.
I landed in an RJ on 4R about 75 minutes before this plane rolled. Winds were increasing at the time and were coming out of due north based on how we landed. The runway used was widened and lengthened to handle larger planes (A380 for example) but the departure route is usually a fairly angled left turn over Jamaica Bay and the old airport off Flatbush Avenue. The winds must have picked up considerably after we landed for this plane to have that kind of roll and perhaps be off the center line for takeoff.
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Old Apr 13, 19, 8:29 am
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The plane was repaired so quick. Back into service on the second day!!!!
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Old Apr 17, 19, 2:42 pm
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Another story a week later with an eye catching headline... "American Airlines jet nearly crashed during takeoff at JFK last week".
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/

Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.

One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
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Originally Posted by SFO777 View Post
Another story a week later with an eye catching headline... "American Airlines jet nearly crashed during takeoff at JFK last week".
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/

Apparently, the wing hit a light pole in addition to the DTG sign.

One source briefed on the incident told CBS News: "That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing." According to people familiar with the ongoing investigation, preliminary indicators are that there was a "loss of control" on takeoff, reports CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave. The Airbus A321 took off around 8:40 p.m. on April 10, bound for Los Angeles. But just as the plane was beginning to lift off, it rolled to the left, causing the wing tip to scrape the ground. The wing then hit a runway sign and a light pole before pilots managed to regain control and continued the takeoff. The force of the impact bent the wing.
Yea, I was just watching the evening news and they were talking about this. They seemed to be covering event so late after the fact, I thought it had happened again.
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Old Apr 17, 19, 5:36 pm
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Let's give a plug to Simon Hradecky and his AV Herald, where a post today claims that the she was on the fateful AA 300:

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By ELizabeth Lucsko on Wednesday, Apr 17th 2019 22:11Z

I was aboard this aircraft. The take off was fast, rather quick and felt short. Then we pitched down and banked right (left wing up) and then left (right wing up) and the back felt to skid out sideways, I was in the window seat just behind the left win .....


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Old Apr 18, 19, 8:47 pm
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The plane was repaired so quick. Back into service on the second day!!!!
Donít think so. If Iím not mistaken the airframe was N114NN which hasnít flown since. I heard somewhere they were scrapping the airframe. Not an expert but seems weird they couldnít repair it and would instead scrap it...
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