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AA Cancels All Flights to Venezuela 15 Mar 2019

AA Cancels All Flights to Venezuela 15 Mar 2019

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Old Mar 15, 19, 12:33 pm
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American Airlines union advises pilots not fly to Venezuela

The Allied Pilots Association union that represents 15,000 American Airlines pilots is warning its members not to fly to Venezuela.

The statement comes amid the U.S. State Department reissuing its Level 4 Travel Advisory for Venezuela earlier this week.
Level 4 - I certainly wouldn’t want to be there.

"In its Travel Advisory, the U.S. Department of State cites 'crime, civil unrest, poor health infrastructure, and arbitrary arrest and detention of U.S. citizens,' " according to the association's note, sent to USA TODAY by communications committee chairman Captain Dennis Tajer. "The Travel Advisory also notes that 'violent crime, such as homicide, armed robbery, kidnapping, and carjacking, is common,' and recommends that U.S. residents 'traveling in Venezuela should depart Venezuela
So is AA still flying there? Could be interesting.
"Until further notice, if you are scheduled, assigned, or reassigned a pairing into Venezuela, refuse the assignment by calling your Chief Pilot or IOC Duty Pilot ... ," the note said. "Inform them that you are refusing the assignment in accordance with the direction of the U.S. Department of State.

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I see both of today’s flights to MIA we’re cancelled, thought tomorrow’s show as on-time.
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Old Mar 15, 19, 12:54 pm
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Just read AA is halting all flights to/from Venezuela
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Well this frees up a couple of aircraft to cover MAX routes...
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I see both of today’s flights to MIA we’re cancelled, thought tomorrow’s show as on-time.
No doubt they'll be delayed in 15 minute increments until the situation there is resolved!
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Originally Posted by enpremiere View Post
No doubt they'll be delayed in 15 minute increments until the situation there is resolved!
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I see both of today’s flights to MIA we’re cancelled, thought tomorrow’s show as on-time.
Good luck to whoever is stuck there.
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Good luck to whoever is stuck there.
Good point, but if the pilots aren't going, no one else is.
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Old Mar 16, 19, 12:46 pm
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Flying down and deadheading back would be one way to maintain flights without staff leaving the airport/overnighting.
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Old Mar 16, 19, 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme View Post
Flying down and deadheading back would be one way to maintain flights without staff leaving the airport/overnighting.
crew hasnt been overnighting for a long time. The flight is a turn for both pilots and cabin crew (MIA-CCS is only 3 odd hours).

I find this odd. Figure they'd make it a volunteer route with hazard pay or something.
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crew hasnt been overnighting for a long time. The flight is a turn for both pilots and cabin crew (MIA-CCS is only 3 odd hours).

I find this odd. Figure they'd make it a volunteer route with hazard pay or something.
AA doesn't want to lose any aircraft down there either.

It probably wasn't a very profitable route anyway and likely less so with all of the disruption.
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Old Mar 16, 19, 1:21 pm
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The US has pulled the last of its embassy personnel. While the US has not been able to do much in Venezuela for a bit, it is now not able to do anything. AA cannot protect its employees or its aircraft and my guess is that the market for travel to the country has dropped at the same rate as its economy as has the number of people able to pay in USD.

Bottom line, this route was not likely to make it even if the diplomatic situation remained acceptable.

On March 11, 2019, the U.S. Department of State announced the temporary suspension of operations of the U.S. Embassy in Caracas and the withdrawal of diplomatic personnel from Venezuela. The U.S. Embassy in Caracas is not providing any consular services. U.S. citizens residing or traveling in Venezuela should depart Venezuela. Commercial flights remain available.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
It probably wasn't a very profitable route anyway and likely less so with all of the disruption.
It was an *extremely* profitable route, right up until the end, that's why they ran it so long in spite of everything that was going on and all the challenges involved.
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Old Mar 16, 19, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by JonNYC View Post
It was an *extremely* profitable route, right up until the end, that's why they ran it so long in spite of everything that was going on and all the challenges involved.
that was my feeling as well. Near 100% LF and prices over 1000 USD for a 3 hour flight. Heck didnt they add a third flight for a while and up gauge from a 738 to 752?

Does the union contract not allow for volunteer assignments with hazard pay? I've been to far more dangerous places than doing a turn in CCS; was a function of my willingness and the right incentives.

or maybe no one took it up?

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This was a surprise as I thought they stopped flying there a couple of years ago but I see that was Delta.
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