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iadisgreat Mar 9, 19 8:55 am


Originally Posted by jordyn (Post 30845582)
I think you're missing the point. Other airlines allow baggage to be checked later than 45 minutes and don't have this problem. So it's infuriating that AA requires extra time to handle the bags and still can't manage to get them on the plane faster than the passengers.

I don't see what is so onerous about a 45 minute check in (at most US airports) in this context of boarding flights early.

s0ssos Mar 9, 19 9:04 am


Originally Posted by GoodFastOrCheap (Post 30833131)
Someone decided to begin the boarding process early (who knows why) and the gate agent (correctly) noticed you were checked-in but not on the plane once it finished. You can complain, but flights take off and arrive early quite frequently.

Can you prove that? I thought AA had one of the worst on-time performances.

beachfan Mar 9, 19 9:31 am


Originally Posted by jordyn (Post 30845582)
I think you're missing the point. Other airlines allow baggage to be checked later than 45 minutes and don't have this problem. So it's infuriating that AA requires extra time to handle the bags and still can't manage to get them on the plane faster than the passengers.

just curious, which ones?


jordyn Mar 9, 19 9:48 am


Originally Posted by beachfan (Post 30866117)
just curious, which ones?

Most of them.

JetBlue, United and Delta's all have default bag cutoff times of 30 minutes. Alaska's is 40 minutes.

Southwest's is also 45, but unlike AA they're willing to late-check bags. (So is Delta; I'm not sure about the rest.)

Exec_Plat Mar 9, 19 10:19 am


Originally Posted by deeruck (Post 30838724)

Not sure if you are agreeing with my statement that AA controls when they leave the gate which is independent of airport ground control.

They close door, release brake- and they have departed.

WHen they MOVE off the gate and onto the taxiway is a different story.

deac83 Mar 9, 19 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by jordyn (Post 30865980)
Here's another idea that wouldn't be that complicated: just board at the time you print on the boarding pass.

I don't disagree with this but when I know the reality is different than the policy, I'll go with the reality.

Oddly aa.com give you more information than the app. i.e. app says departed, aa.com says awaiting takeoff.

At LGA, if you are in the aa club, you can see gates 1-5, I'll just take a look to see if the plane has come to the gate and start the clock ticking to get to the gate.

DOT has established the measure for on time departures to include closing the door, I'm not surprised that it leads to bad behavior that negatively impact the pax.

Athena53 Mar 12, 19 7:36 am


Originally Posted by freQ (Post 30835545)
Happened to me at CLT. I had to use the restroom and we still had around 20 minutes before boarding started. All of a sudden they start boarding early - I have never seen a plane board that fast in my life. I was all like 😦

AA app didnít say anything, that app is not always up to date.

Yes- this is what I hate. This past Sunday I arrived late into CLT from CHS- bad fog in CLT and they had to do a "precision landing"- we had to power down all our devices. So, we got to the gate half an hour late. It happens. I had 20 minutes to get to my connecting flight, which was posted on time. Made a breathless run through the terminal- and found that the inbound for my connecting flight wasn't even there yet. They finally posted a later departure time just before the original departure time.

It would certainly help if the app had correct info about flight status, including when a flight has started boarding.

NJFlyer_HOHO Mar 12, 19 8:17 am

I actually got refused boarding because I arrive T minus 15 mins before departure for an oversold flight PHL-BOS. I was trying to argue with the GA that I was supposed to be able to board because I was not late. But he insisted that "you were late". :(

ftoader Mar 12, 19 8:40 am

It happened to me recently with AA
 
I was flying DFW to KOA on AA Boeing 772 last month. There were three of us flying from DTW with a connection time in DFW of about 1.5 hours. We decided to go to the American Express Centurion lounge to have breakfast and relax before the next 8+ hours flight (we were flying economy!). When we arrived in DFW, the connecting flight to KOA was showing at the same terminal where the lounge was, so short walking distance I thought. While in the lounge I checked the status of our next flight and it changed the gate to a different terminal. I panicked a bit not knowing how long it will take to reach the gate and left the lounge in a hurry about T-40. It took us 20 minutes to get to the gate but when we were about 3 gates away I received a call from AA asking if we are still going to make the flight because everyone else was boarded. I told the GA that we were seconds away. When we got to the gate the GA was nice and joked with us. I was surprised they boarded everyone in such a big plane and wondered when did they actually start boarding. The flight left the gate a few minutes late.

rjg319 Mar 12, 19 10:27 am

Based on what you posted yourself, AA's rules state that if you're not on board 15 minutes before departure on domestic flights, they can reassign your seat to another passenger. You can complain all you want, but they are following their contract of carriage if they deny you boarding at T-10. I agree that "bothering" you at T-20 is a little excessive; however, it was a courtesy call from a gate agent who was probably trying to get the flight out early (as you also mentioned). The fact that you ended up departing late could be due to the fact that the aircraft lost the opportunity/window for an early departure while waiting for that last minute passenger to arrive.

txirish Mar 12, 19 10:35 am

Assuming all the times are correct, the OP should have been allowed to board according to the airline's own rules. It doesn't matter if he was sitting in a lounge or racing from a delayed inbound flight.
Personally (flying UA), I'm always travelling with a roll-aboard so I get to the gate at or before the boarding time. I'm enjoying the relatively new 1K preboard policy - it eliminates the need to get in a lengthy Group 1 line. (The other day I saw a couple start the Group 1 line at T-60!) I like to get my gear stowed, headphones and work out, etc. before the crush. With UA, I find that boarding times vary by airport. I fly out of AUS, and it's common for UA to start boarding 5 (or more) minutes early. At their hubs and other airports, early boarding seems to be less common.

JALOO5-Flyer Mar 12, 19 11:06 am

AA's boarding process is really a mystery.
Situation 1: at LAX, left FL lounge at T-30 sharp heading to Gate 42B for a tcon flight. Took me less than 5 minutes on the way and when I arrived at the gate it seemed the majority had boarded and there's no line at gate at that time. Good thing about tcon was there's still plenty OH space in F.
Situation 2: at MIA. I was closely monitoring the incoming flight on flightradar24 as the incoming a/c was still held on the taxiway. The app showed "boarding now" despite the a/c had not yet arrived at the gate. Asked an AAgent at lounge she said it should board pretty soon you should head to the gate. Boarding ended up commencing 20 min after scheduled departure. That's way more than enough time to take a shower and grab some small bites.

jordyn Mar 12, 19 12:29 pm


Originally Posted by deac83 (Post 30866866)
DOT has established the measure for on time departures to include closing the door, I'm not surprised that it leads to bad behavior that negatively impact the pax.

Eh, sort of. DOT does track that, but the primary statistic they publish is on-time arrival. The fact that AA obsesses about D0 is because they've chosen to focus on the metric they feel like they have the most control over instead of the one that their customers care about.

jensha Mar 12, 19 12:55 pm

I have experienced this multiple times and missed two flights where the door was closed 20 minutes before departure time. And every time an unhelpful control-freak GA was involved.

jliehr Mar 12, 19 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by ftoader (Post 30877296)
I was flying DFW to KOA on AA Boeing 772 last month. There were three of us flying from DTW with a connection time in DFW of about 1.5 hours. We decided to go to the American Express Centurion lounge to have breakfast and relax before the next 8+ hours flight (we were flying economy!). When we arrived in DFW, the connecting flight to KOA was showing at the same terminal where the lounge was, so short walking distance I thought. While in the lounge I checked the status of our next flight and it changed the gate to a different terminal. I panicked a bit not knowing how long it will take to reach the gate and left the lounge in a hurry about T-40. It took us 20 minutes to get to the gate but when we were about 3 gates away I received a call from AA asking if we are still going to make the flight because everyone else was boarded. I told the GA that we were seconds away. When we got to the gate the GA was nice and joked with us. I was surprised they boarded everyone in such a big plane and wondered when did they actually start boarding. The flight left the gate a few minutes late.

I don't have my boarding passes anymore, but I am pretty certain that both of my DFW-HNL flights and DFW-KOA flights have had boarding times on the pass at T-45, which makes sense with the larger planes.


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