J fare basis but economy seat - instant upgrade?
#31
Join Date: Sep 2008
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Again, twighlight zone with people that dont know how airline tickets work....
Lets say you are flying A to B to C
You 'book' a fare that is A to C, in J. (Assumptively the fare rules allow connection in B)
Lets further stipulate that AB has no J availability, so you are in Y for A-B, but in J for B-C... (NOT A 'voluntary downgrade', just not seated in the cabin you have purchased.)
DO YOU THINK that A-B is booked in some 'y fare basis' and B-C is then in a J fare basis???????? Such that when inventory opens in A-B, you have to re-book the whole ticket??????
Lets start with the basics here, shall we?
Lets say you are flying A to B to C
You 'book' a fare that is A to C, in J. (Assumptively the fare rules allow connection in B)
Lets further stipulate that AB has no J availability, so you are in Y for A-B, but in J for B-C... (NOT A 'voluntary downgrade', just not seated in the cabin you have purchased.)
DO YOU THINK that A-B is booked in some 'y fare basis' and B-C is then in a J fare basis???????? Such that when inventory opens in A-B, you have to re-book the whole ticket??????
Lets start with the basics here, shall we?
if there is no space in J so, it must be confirmed in Y class. so it is a voluntary downgrade (one accepts the reservation).
for example i have an eticket like this
AONE5 fare.
SEZ LHR A
LHR HND A
HND HKG A
HKG SIN D
SIN NRT D
NRT HKG D
HKG JFK A
JFK GRU A
GRU BOG J
BOG SCL J
SCL IPC J
IPC SCL J
SCL LHR A
LHR DXB A
DXB LHR A
LHR NBO A
The fare basis is A class, yet i am on D on some sectors J on some sectors.
If there is A class on some flight, I can make a change and pay the fee (if applicable). it requires a reissued. just because the fare basis is A class does not mean that I can fly first class.
#33
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i am not sure what you are talking about. you are saying that the eticket is in J sector, but is not confirmed? confirmed in J but no seat assigned?
if there is no space in J so, it must be confirmed in Y class. so it is a voluntary downgrade (one accepts the reservation).
for example i have an eticket like this
AONE5 fare.
SEZ LHR A
LHR HND A
HND HKG A
HKG SIN D
SIN NRT D
NRT HKG D
HKG JFK A
JFK GRU A
GRU BOG J
BOG SCL J
SCL IPC J
IPC SCL J
SCL LHR A
LHR DXB A
DXB LHR A
LHR NBO A
The fare basis is A class, yet i am on D on some sectors J on some sectors.
If there is A class on some flight, I can make a change and pay the fee (if applicable). it requires a reissued. just because the fare basis is A class does not mean that I can fly first class.
if there is no space in J so, it must be confirmed in Y class. so it is a voluntary downgrade (one accepts the reservation).
for example i have an eticket like this
AONE5 fare.
SEZ LHR A
LHR HND A
HND HKG A
HKG SIN D
SIN NRT D
NRT HKG D
HKG JFK A
JFK GRU A
GRU BOG J
BOG SCL J
SCL IPC J
IPC SCL J
SCL LHR A
LHR DXB A
DXB LHR A
LHR NBO A
The fare basis is A class, yet i am on D on some sectors J on some sectors.
If there is A class on some flight, I can make a change and pay the fee (if applicable). it requires a reissued. just because the fare basis is A class does not mean that I can fly first class.
#35
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Also, just because the fare basis is J does not necessary mean all sectors can be booked in Y.
There was one example on a Y fare TPE USA on JL. the booking class table says that it is not booked into Y class on AC.
it is certainly possible that J fare on AA only allows I class on CX/KA. it is impossible to generalize, and one has to go back to the fare rule to see what is possible and what is not possible.
There was one example on a Y fare TPE USA on JL. the booking class table says that it is not booked into Y class on AC.
it is certainly possible that J fare on AA only allows I class on CX/KA. it is impossible to generalize, and one has to go back to the fare rule to see what is possible and what is not possible.
#36
Join Date: Feb 2000
Posts: 6,476
could be a way to get extra “I” inventory confirmed beyond the limited married-segment inventory???
example:
LAX-MIA 772 I7
for ~$900
and
LAX-MIA 772 I0 Y7
MIA-SJU 76W I7
for ~$400
ticket seg1 is Y, seg 2 in I for ~$400
call the next day, say AA just released new I7 inventory for seg1, ask to be rebooked into I that’s already paid for & revalidate.
cancel within 24 hours if it doesn’t work
not quite sure how to ticket seg1 Y, seg2 I - it seems Plat AMEXTravel.com when searching business (not first) will do it, but would then have to deal with AMEX the next day rather than AA directly
example:
LAX-MIA 772 I7
for ~$900
and
LAX-MIA 772 I0 Y7
MIA-SJU 76W I7
for ~$400
ticket seg1 is Y, seg 2 in I for ~$400
call the next day, say AA just released new I7 inventory for seg1, ask to be rebooked into I that’s already paid for & revalidate.
cancel within 24 hours if it doesn’t work
not quite sure how to ticket seg1 Y, seg2 I - it seems Plat AMEXTravel.com when searching business (not first) will do it, but would then have to deal with AMEX the next day rather than AA directly
#37
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#38
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Posts: 44,438
As long as there is no rerouting involved, there is no change fee on an One World Explorer fare for that
#39
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could be a way to get extra “I” inventory confirmed beyond the limited married-segment inventory???
example:
LAX-MIA 772 I7
for ~$900
and
LAX-MIA 772 I0 Y7
MIA-SJU 76W I7
for ~$400
ticket seg1 is Y, seg 2 in I for ~$400
call the next day, say AA just released new I7 inventory for seg1, ask to be rebooked into I that’s already paid for & revalidate.
cancel within 24 hours if it doesn’t work
not quite sure how to ticket seg1 Y, seg2 I - it seems Plat AMEXTravel.com when searching business (not first) will do it, but would then have to deal with AMEX the next day rather than AA directly
example:
LAX-MIA 772 I7
for ~$900
and
LAX-MIA 772 I0 Y7
MIA-SJU 76W I7
for ~$400
ticket seg1 is Y, seg 2 in I for ~$400
call the next day, say AA just released new I7 inventory for seg1, ask to be rebooked into I that’s already paid for & revalidate.
cancel within 24 hours if it doesn’t work
not quite sure how to ticket seg1 Y, seg2 I - it seems Plat AMEXTravel.com when searching business (not first) will do it, but would then have to deal with AMEX the next day rather than AA directly
#41
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Manhattan Beach, California
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Posts: 6,350
My experience has been that this doesnt work. When i called in to try to avail myself to the I bucket availability on the single segment, I was told they cannot see it because they are looking at the segment married with the other one(s) where I was already in I.
#42
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