J fare basis but economy seat - instant upgrade?
#1
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J fare basis but economy seat - instant upgrade?
Hi all,
I am flying MEX-MIA-SJU on AA, for business, on a ticket booked by the corporate travel agency. The business class cabin was completely sold out for MEX-MIA so my ticket shows economy, however the trip was booked on a JXXXXX fare basis. The MIA-SJU segment is on business class.
If a seat opens up in the business cabin, will I automatically upgrade? If not, can AA call center and/or the travel agency do it? (Travel agency will be closed the day of the flight as I'm flying Sunday).
Thanks!
I am flying MEX-MIA-SJU on AA, for business, on a ticket booked by the corporate travel agency. The business class cabin was completely sold out for MEX-MIA so my ticket shows economy, however the trip was booked on a JXXXXX fare basis. The MIA-SJU segment is on business class.
If a seat opens up in the business cabin, will I automatically upgrade? If not, can AA call center and/or the travel agency do it? (Travel agency will be closed the day of the flight as I'm flying Sunday).
Thanks!
#2
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Hi all,
I am flying MEX-MIA-SJU on AA, for business, on a ticket booked by the corporate travel agency. The business class cabin was completely sold out for MEX-MIA so my ticket shows economy, however the trip was booked on a JXXXXX fare basis. The MIA-SJU segment is on business class.
If a seat opens up in the business cabin, will I automatically upgrade? If not, can AA call center and/or the travel agency do it? (Travel agency will be closed the day of the flight as I'm flying Sunday).
Thanks!
I am flying MEX-MIA-SJU on AA, for business, on a ticket booked by the corporate travel agency. The business class cabin was completely sold out for MEX-MIA so my ticket shows economy, however the trip was booked on a JXXXXX fare basis. The MIA-SJU segment is on business class.
If a seat opens up in the business cabin, will I automatically upgrade? If not, can AA call center and/or the travel agency do it? (Travel agency will be closed the day of the flight as I'm flying Sunday).
Thanks!
#3
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This is a huge flaw of AAs systems. Not only will you not be upgraded automatocally, if the agent putting you on the “upgrade” list doesn’t code this correctly, you will be competing with comp upgrades from CK and EXPs. If coded properly you should pop up to #1 on thr “upgrade” list. There is another thread that sets out how to tell the agent to code it correctly.
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In this case, if booked in business class, should the required booking class become available, there is no issue in phoning and rebooking.
Nothing will happen automatically unless it is a fare that allows waitlisting and a waitlist request has been submitted
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To OP, i have had this happen before and you need to look for the thread that gives the special code that needs to be entered on the DoD upgrade list. I was on very expensive full J ticket and the first agent coded my “upgrade” request incorrectly and i sat in economy for the first domestic segment while someone else got a complementary upgrade to the one seat that opened. Make sure you are coded as DSR. Thr agent will know what this means.
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And that is not even remotely how AA or most other airlines see this.
To OP, i have had this happen before and you need to look for the thread that gives the special code that needs to be entered on the DoD upgrade list. I was on very expensive full J ticket and the first agent coded my “upgrade” request incorrectly and i sat in economy for the first domestic segment while someone else got a complementary upgrade to the one seat that opened. Make sure you are coded as DSR. Thr agent will know what this means.
#9
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Other airlines may have different policies, but AA has a policy on upgrading to a higher class of travel not to charge a charge fee
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With a voluntary downgrader, there is no issue getting rebooked into the paid for cabin if availability in the required booking class opens
Other airlines may have different policies, but AA has a policy on upgrading to a higher class of travel not to charge a charge fee
Other airlines may have different policies, but AA has a policy on upgrading to a higher class of travel not to charge a charge fee
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But that is not true on DoD and hence why i said the coding on the upgrade list is critical. While I class may never open up, neither does R and yet people magically get elite upgrades at the gate. The reality is that revenue management stops fiddling with the fare buckets and the gate agent clears people into the front cabin based on priority, not whether there is I or R availability showing. The average flight is sitting st the gate with only J bucket showing greater than zero, if anything. The GA can put people in those remaining seats regardless of booking class, either because they have exp status or are pulling 500 milers or in the case of someone who was entitled to a higher cabin at booking, someone properly coded on the upgrade list (who would clear before the “free” upgraders).
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Would be helpful to know the precise fare basis code Jxxxxxx doenst track with being an 'instant upgrade' fare.
n
Huh? Kind of a nutty fantasy of how you think seats, fares and inventory works?
I have 'accepted' Y inventory when booking a J or F are, but ON THE BASIS that it was a full J or F ticket and if inventory opned I would get it before an upgrade.... I am buying a J fare, but just so happens I am not seated in J. If a seat opens NOTHING IS BEING 'CHANGED' on my ticket, so why pay a change fee?
n
I have 'accepted' Y inventory when booking a J or F are, but ON THE BASIS that it was a full J or F ticket and if inventory opned I would get it before an upgrade.... I am buying a J fare, but just so happens I am not seated in J. If a seat opens NOTHING IS BEING 'CHANGED' on my ticket, so why pay a change fee?
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Would be helpful to know the precise fare basis code Jxxxxxx doenst track with being an 'instant upgrade' fare.
n
Huh? Kind of a nutty fantasy of how you think seats, fares and inventory works?
I have 'accepted' Y inventory when booking a J or F are, but ON THE BASIS that it was a full J or F ticket and if inventory opned I would get it before an upgrade.... I am buying a J fare, but just so happens I am not seated in J. If a seat opens NOTHING IS BEING 'CHANGED' on my ticket, so why pay a change fee?
n
Huh? Kind of a nutty fantasy of how you think seats, fares and inventory works?
I have 'accepted' Y inventory when booking a J or F are, but ON THE BASIS that it was a full J or F ticket and if inventory opned I would get it before an upgrade.... I am buying a J fare, but just so happens I am not seated in J. If a seat opens NOTHING IS BEING 'CHANGED' on my ticket, so why pay a change fee?
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No different to buying or changing any other ticket