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dfw88 Feb 21, 2019 3:24 pm

HND / Haneda slots: AA prelim gets DFW, LAX routes Summer 2020 (update)
 
Apologies if this was already posted, but I didn't see it:

Newsroom - American Airlines to Apply for Additional Service at Tokyo?s Haneda Airport - American Airlines Group, Inc.

Essentially, AA has applied for 4 daily flights to HND from the following airports at the following times:

Route/Departure Time/Arrival Time/Aircraft

DFW–HND 12:35 p.m. 3:55 p.m. 777-200

DFW–HND 3 p.m. 6:30 p.m. 777-200

LAS–HND 1:30 p.m. 5:25 p.m. 787-8

LAX–HND 12:40 a.m. 4:45 a.m. 787-8

LAS-HND is obviously the one that will get a lot of attention. Surely they've done their research and it shows a large number of Japanese pax connecting to Vegas.

Looking at the current schedule it appears that the first DFW-HND is a replacement of a current DFW-NRT flights while the second, along with the LAX-HND, are additional flights. However, if this was explicitly confirmed in the press release I missed it.

uscjeff Feb 21, 2019 4:14 pm

Sounds like the new LAX-HND would indeed be incremental. But those times and on a 787-8 instead of 77W? No thanks. I did not think LAX was going to be utilizing many 787-8s opposed to ORD, etc. Interesting for sure

potus18 Feb 21, 2019 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by dfw88 (Post 30806871)

Looking at the current schedule it appears that the first DFW-HND is a replacement of a current DFW-NRT flights while the second, along with the LAX-HND, are additional flights. However, if this was explicitly confirmed in the press release I missed it.

I'd hope the LAX/HND flight is in addition to the current flight as it would be a shame for it to be down-gauged from a 789 or 77W to a 788. Thankfully, it was explicitly confirmed in the press release (emphasis mine):


American’s trans-Pacific gateways

American currently operates one daily flight between LAX and HND, which began in 2016. An additional flight from LAX would provide American’s customers with even more options and a convenient schedule between Tokyo and the airline’s West Coast hub.
Those hours, though. The gut reaction is bad, but if I were commuting to Tokyo for business, those hours are pretty good. Full work day in Los Angeles and a full work day in Tokyo.

JDiver Feb 21, 2019 4:23 pm

For some, it will mean no reason to take the Friendly Limousine Bus NRT <—-> HND.

thunderlounge Feb 21, 2019 4:52 pm

I wonder with the LAX and LAS flights if they’ll also run domestic service between ORD as well, since it’s the 788 hub?

allset2travel Feb 21, 2019 4:52 pm

Love to see the increase of flights to HND. Like to see either all 772's with retro J or 77W (I know, dream on) would be great. I wonder how this would impact oneworld's xONEx itinerary.

Geordie405 Feb 21, 2019 5:00 pm

LAS - HND is very interesting and, as alluded to above, I'd be inclined to agree that it's because of the large number of passengers connecting to / from Tokyo. The early LAS - LAX flight is usually very busy with passengers connecting to onward flights to Asia.

This would presumably be AA's first international flight from Las Vegas?

Antarius Feb 21, 2019 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by allset2travel (Post 30807153)
Love to see the increase of flights to HND. Like to see either all 772's with retro J or 77W (I know, dream on) would be great. I wonder how this would impact oneworld's xONEx itinerary.

agree. NRT is akin to IAD, a pain in the backside that we've been forced to deal with. HND is far more convenient. Heck, even when connecting, HND has potential to pop into Tokyo. Theres only so much NRT Sakura lounge until you feel trapped.

bse118 Feb 21, 2019 6:04 pm

I'd be interested to see the return flight schedules HND-USA for these new proposed flights.

Presumably, if awarded, this:


Originally Posted by dfw88 (Post 30806871)
LAX–HND 12:40 a.m. 4:45 a.m. 787-8

Would result in a morning departure HND-LAX, which I would be quite happy to have available as an option.

golfingboy Feb 21, 2019 6:53 pm

IMHO AA is very unlikely to secure 2nd LAX-HND frequency as UA applied for LAX-HND.

This really shows how weak AA is when it comes to Asia when comparing AA's proposed routes with UA and DL.

I am of the opinion AA should have tried to bid for either ORD-HND or PHL-HND as opposed to bidding for 2 DFW frequencies or LAS.

I think UA/DL will get the lion's share of the slots with AA and HA getting 1-2 each.

Djokison Feb 21, 2019 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by bse118 (Post 30807368)
I'd be interested to see the return flight schedules HND-USA for these new proposed flights.

Presumably, if awarded, this:



Would result in a morning departure HND-LAX, which I would be quite happy to have available as an option.

Mid day departure to LAX.

AA227 DFW-HND 12:35-17:15 777
AA228 HND-DFW 19:25-16:15 777

AA597 DFW-HND 15:00-19:40 777
AA598 HND-DFW 21:55-18:35 777

AA171 LAX-HND 2355-0445 788
AA172 HND-LAX 1345-0635 788

AA776 LAS-HND 1320-1825 788
AA777 HND-LAS 1730-1045 788

shd9 Feb 21, 2019 7:42 pm

The 2155 HND departure flights and 0445 HND arrivals flights are great for connections in Asia with JAL. Quite a lot of JAL routes to prime destinations in Asia leaves from HND (TSA, HKG, CAN, PEK, SHA, GMP) in the morning and comes back in the evening.

Fanjet Feb 21, 2019 9:12 pm

I'm surprised these are the applications AA is filing. I'd be surprised if the DoT would allow a single carrier to hold two of these slot pairs from the same U.S. airport. I also wonder why they didn't apply for ORD-HND.

FlyerTalker688786 Feb 22, 2019 1:20 am


Originally Posted by Djokison (Post 30807492)

Mid day departure to LAX.


AA171 LAX-HND 2355-0445 788
AA172 HND-LAX 1345-0635 788

AA776 LAS-HND 1320-1825 788
AA777 HND-LAS 1730-1045 788

So the aircraft utilisation could be:
LAX - HND - LAS - HND (overnight) - LAX?

etiene Feb 22, 2019 2:40 am


Originally Posted by chongcao (Post 30808396)
So the aircraft utilisation could be:
LAX - HND - LAS - HND (overnight) - LAX?

Could be - I was wondering if LAS would be similar to the RDU-LHR rotation. Not obvious how the LAX rotation fits in with the rest though - I was assuming these might slot in with an ORD rotation, but there doesn't seem to be one...?


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