Are AA miles basically useless for US-Europe redemptions?
#1
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Are AA miles basically useless for US-Europe redemptions?
Hello!
I hate to start such a negative thread but for the first time since moving over from DL, I'm trying to use AA miles to travel from WAS to Europe and am having no luck. I've looked at NAP, VCE, DUB, and LHR so far and all flights are coming back with BA segments which of course carry huge fees ($1,000+ per ticket). To be fair, I am looking for a May redemption so it may be too late/high season but I've been looking for months now. I think it's really the fact that AA doesn't seem to open up any award availability on their own metal that's frustrating. DL get's a bad rap for reward redeeming miles but I never had issues like this. I'm hoping that I'm just going about it wrong?
Thanks!
I hate to start such a negative thread but for the first time since moving over from DL, I'm trying to use AA miles to travel from WAS to Europe and am having no luck. I've looked at NAP, VCE, DUB, and LHR so far and all flights are coming back with BA segments which of course carry huge fees ($1,000+ per ticket). To be fair, I am looking for a May redemption so it may be too late/high season but I've been looking for months now. I think it's really the fact that AA doesn't seem to open up any award availability on their own metal that's frustrating. DL get's a bad rap for reward redeeming miles but I never had issues like this. I'm hoping that I'm just going about it wrong?
Thanks!
#2
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Do you think maybe it's been discussed on FT before? Yes, choices to Europe are limited, but there are more choices not displayed on aa.com (in particular, IB). Also, since you bring up DL, maybe you should look at AAnytime awards, which are freely available but only applicable if you fly AA all the way. Yes, looking in Feb for May SAAver awards is aspirational.
#3
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May would be hopeless even if AA released a lot of TATL seats.
If you are talking J, then almost entirely useless. Some limited opportunities on IB when the schedule is loaded.
If you are talking J, then almost entirely useless. Some limited opportunities on IB when the schedule is loaded.
#4
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Unfortunately, you are correct. The last 3 times I've traveled to Europe (from the US), I've tried getting "normal" award tickets (without the BA fuel surcharge) to no avail, and I'm a HUGE planner ... I search for tickets at 5 AM 330 days out ... nope! Never a first class award available without using BA aircraft. I've simply accepted that my trips to Europe will cost me $1000+ per ticket, and try to tell myself that it's still a cheap ticket to fly on a 787-9 in first and enjoy a few hours in the Concorde Room in London during the inevitable layover.
It's frustrating, but it's the world of FF miles ... they are getting harder and harder to use, and cost more and more to redeem.
It's frustrating, but it's the world of FF miles ... they are getting harder and harder to use, and cost more and more to redeem.
#6
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Are you looking for J or Y? When in May? Picking some random dates in May I see plenty of Y saver for routings like DCA-ORD-LHR and DCA-RDU-LHR. J is harder to come by but I see DCA-LGA//JFK-LHR on May 14th or May 25th. Not ideal to have to take a taxi between airports but it does get you in J to Europe...
In the award search, uncheck "British Airways" and then scroll through the dates.
Yeah you will have to be flexible on dates to use AA miles for saver J... but it's no different on DL. Doing a similar search for DL there are some days they want 280k for a one-way in J...
In the award search, uncheck "British Airways" and then scroll through the dates.
Yeah you will have to be flexible on dates to use AA miles for saver J... but it's no different on DL. Doing a similar search for DL there are some days they want 280k for a one-way in J...
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#8
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I am hardly an apologist for AA, but i have gotten saaver biz awards for me and four other in my family during both summer and Christmas for the last few years. No rhyme or reason to getting them though, but if you are looking for May now you will find slim pickings. Even a revenue ticket in biz may be quite expensive now. I got my 5 summer 2018 tickets on April 1 and my 5 Christmas 2018 ones in late August. Randomly space was there and i grabbed it after having looked for months w no luck.
#9
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or if you uncheck BA and you still see dates available, upon closer inspection, one of the flights (and more often than not, it’s the TATL leg) books into T in economy. I.E. pay another 17.5K miles more to sit in F from SAN to LAX and end up in coach for the LAX-LHR leg.
#10
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AA serves more European destinations out of PHL than any of their other hubs.
Narrow your search to just PHL-Europe destinations. If you find availability, then try routing from your desired DC airport (DCA would give better connections thorugh PHL).
Worst case if you find something out of PHL, you can decide if you want to drive there.
And as mentioned here - avoid BA. You'll get socked with their infamous carrier fees. AA should only be $5.60 for the award if you are flying on their equipment.
Narrow your search to just PHL-Europe destinations. If you find availability, then try routing from your desired DC airport (DCA would give better connections thorugh PHL).
Worst case if you find something out of PHL, you can decide if you want to drive there.
And as mentioned here - avoid BA. You'll get socked with their infamous carrier fees. AA should only be $5.60 for the award if you are flying on their equipment.
#11
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I just booked a few weeks ago two round-trips in J on AA metal to Europe in May. Is the OP using the flexible date calendar? You often have to go via NYC (and do the LGA to JFK shuffle), but I've always found a seat or two near my planned dates.
Worst case, book on BA and in case of schedule change, you can request to re-accommodate on AA metal. AA will also automatically refund the YQ (BA copay charges) when the ticket re-issues.
Worst case, book on BA and in case of schedule change, you can request to re-accommodate on AA metal. AA will also automatically refund the YQ (BA copay charges) when the ticket re-issues.
#12
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AA serves more European destinations out of PHL than any of their other hubs.
Narrow your search to just PHL-Europe destinations. If you find availability, then try routing from your desired DC airport (DCA would give better connections thorugh PHL).
Worst case if you find something out of PHL, you can decide if you want to drive there.
And as mentioned here - avoid BA. You'll get socked with their infamous carrier fees. AA should only be $5.60 for the award if you are flying on their equipment.
Narrow your search to just PHL-Europe destinations. If you find availability, then try routing from your desired DC airport (DCA would give better connections thorugh PHL).
Worst case if you find something out of PHL, you can decide if you want to drive there.
And as mentioned here - avoid BA. You'll get socked with their infamous carrier fees. AA should only be $5.60 for the award if you are flying on their equipment.
#13
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Thanks all. For the record, I've not just started looking now, I've been looking since last year at a variety of dates. Again, I don't think it's so much the lack of availability that's frustrating. I understand it's the high season, it's just the lack of availability that doesn't involve huge BA surcharges and the difficulty filtering them. As bad as Delta was, I got spoiled with the readily available direct flights IAD-LHR on VS in Upper Class or IAD-CDG on AF in J (took my last VS flight last year so it may have changed). That being said, the DL operated flights were a joke, sometimes pricing out at more than 500k miles. Guess I'll keep looking.
I am glad to hear it's not just me who's frustrated. Also glad to hear that some have had success.
Thanks again.
I am glad to hear it's not just me who's frustrated. Also glad to hear that some have had success.
Thanks again.
#14
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Do you have an ExpertFlyer subscription? If not, you should - I can't imagine searching for J inventory without it.
Are you flexible on dates? If not, you are in AAnytime land.
Are you flexible on dates? If not, you are in AAnytime land.
#15
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If you go to the Advanced Search Page you can select American Airlines in the Options section at the bottom of the page. That will prevent BA flights being returned. Obviously I don't know how many seats or what cabin you want but right now there's a couple of days in early to mid May with >1 Business MileSAAver on AA metal (5/6 and 5/14) from WAS-LHR and a couple of dates mid to late May (5/14, 5/15, 5/21, 5/22) with the same thing on the return.