AA 735 man to phl cancelled 7 Feb 2019 - pilot removed for alcohol
Feb 8, 2019, 11:55 am
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Absolutely not excusing this pilots behavior, but has it been confirmed he was in fact intoxicated? The reason, the UK, and especially MAN has a reputation for the authorities preying on flight crew. It is so pervasive, it's actually discussed off the record during international ground school. Again, not defending the pilot, if he was drunk, he needs to go, but many flight crews have been harassed about drinking, when they have in fact not been.
Especially when a breathalyzer can easily prove or disprove it, so a pattern lot of false accusations would quickly come to light?
Feb 8, 2019, 12:19 pm
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Good point. We have no information to indicate that this person is an "addict that is in denial and refuses to seek treatment," although that of course is a distinct possibility.
Feb 8, 2019, 12:21 pm
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Feb 8, 2019, 12:26 pm
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Feb 8, 2019, 12:28 pm
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Feb 8, 2019, 2:57 pm
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I rather doubt another pilot is the one who reported it to the authorities. If another flight crew member noticed, s/he would more likely have quietly told the BAC pilot to take himself out of service as sick / unfit to fly and to call EAP, without police involvement (unless the BAC pilot refused to take himself out of service).
The other FCM would also hopefully have made a call to the APA's Professional Standards committee, or equivalent, for follow-up (assuming the APA has one like ALPA does).
The other FCM would also hopefully have made a call to the APA's Professional Standards committee, or equivalent, for follow-up (assuming the APA has one like ALPA does).
Feb 8, 2019, 3:20 pm
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Absolutely not excusing this pilots behavior, but has it been confirmed he was in fact intoxicated? The reason, the UK, and especially MAN has a reputation for the authorities preying on flight crew. It is so pervasive, it's actually discussed off the record during international ground school. Again, not defending the pilot, if he was drunk, he needs to go, but many flight crews have been harassed about drinking, when they have in fact not been.
Feb 8, 2019, 9:50 pm
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Absolutely not excusing this pilots behavior, but has it been confirmed he was in fact intoxicated? The reason, the UK, and especially MAN has a reputation for the authorities preying on flight crew. It is so pervasive, it's actually discussed off the record during international ground school. Again, not defending the pilot, if he was drunk, he needs to go, but many flight crews have been harassed about drinking, when they have in fact not been.
If you see carrying out a perfectly lawful and non-invasive test to ensure the safety of air passengers as "preying upon" flight crew then I have to profoundly disagree with that position.
Feb 9, 2019, 7:39 pm
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Feb 11, 2019, 6:44 pm
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Also, imagine you work at any career into your 60s and are an addict. You know that reporting your addiction will take you out of your profession for an extended period of time, and there is no guarantee you will ever be allowed to practice it again.
What is the upside (as perceived through the addict's eyes, not yours) to self-reporting when that is guaranteed to completely upset your life? It is a terrible Catch-22 with no obvious solution.
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What is the upside (as perceived through the addict's eyes, not yours) to self-reporting when that is guaranteed to completely upset your life? It is a terrible Catch-22 with no obvious solution.
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I’m not sure the pilots have similar provisions in their collective bargaining agreement, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t.
Feb 11, 2019, 8:37 pm
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