Feb 1, 2019, 2:36 pm
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AA has announced the first 196 seat A321-253NX / A321neo (new engine option), N400AN, manufacturer’s temporary registration D-AVYQ, arrived at PIT 1 February 2019 and enters service April, 2019. Link
Airbus A321neo / 32Q threads (as of 12 March 2019)
AA Airbus A321neo, c/o International Flight Network
There is an existing order of 100 A321neo, IATA designation 32Q, with the first delivery in February 2019. However, American Airlines has reached an agreement with Airbus Industries to defer twenty-two A321neo that were previously scheduled for delivery in 2019, 2020, and 2021 to at least 2024, citing high fuel prices and a weak revenue environment for the move.
The AA A321neo are being delivered with CFM International LEAP-1A engine and Sharklets wingtip devices), giving the aircraft 4,000 nautical miles (7,408 km) range and ETOPS 180 certification. In this “Cabin Flex” NX model fuselage doors 2L and R are deleted.
Seating is 20F, 176Y - 47 MCE seats (F20, Y/MCE47, Y129). The new larger AirSpace XL space overhead bins are used and mood lighting also. A/C + USB power is provided to all seats. IFE is served to your device (free) from an onboard WiFi server. ViaSat Ka band WiFi (fee) is standard.
See illustrations in the first few posts in this thread.
F will match the LUS 321 36” pitch, using the same Rockwell Collins MiQ seat used in the 737 MAX 8 and the Oasis refit First/Business cabin (and AA widebody Premium Economy). These MiQ have no footrest.
MCE and Y are reduced to 737 MAX standards (MCE 33”, Y 30”). The seat is the same Rockwell Collins Meridian used in the 737 MAX 8 and “Project Oasis” conversion. The slightly greater diameter of the A320 family fuselage allows a slightly wider seat.
Eventually the A321neo is to replace all Hawaii service A321H and 757 aircraft, and deploy on longer non-JFK-LAX or JFK-SFO routes (which are served by the three class A321T).
Currently, though both will be refitted to 190 seats under Project Oasis:
LAA “32B”: F16 (38” pitch), Y165 including 38 MCE (181 total seat count)
LUS A321: F16 (36” pitch), Y171 including 18 MCE (187 total seat count)
(Note: Delta A321 has 192 seats.)
Link to the archived previous thread discussing the A321neo prior to arrival.
Airbus A321neo / 32Q threads (as of 12 March 2019)
- Aircraft guide: Which Airbus A321? (including “321”, “32B”, A321neo)
- A321neo / 32Q / A321-253NX Rockwell Collins MiQ First / Business seats
- AA new A321neo / 32Q / A321-253NX RC Meridian Main Cabin / MCE seats
AA Airbus A321neo, c/o International Flight Network
There is an existing order of 100 A321neo, IATA designation 32Q, with the first delivery in February 2019. However, American Airlines has reached an agreement with Airbus Industries to defer twenty-two A321neo that were previously scheduled for delivery in 2019, 2020, and 2021 to at least 2024, citing high fuel prices and a weak revenue environment for the move.
The AA A321neo are being delivered with CFM International LEAP-1A engine and Sharklets wingtip devices), giving the aircraft 4,000 nautical miles (7,408 km) range and ETOPS 180 certification. In this “Cabin Flex” NX model fuselage doors 2L and R are deleted.
Seating is 20F, 176Y - 47 MCE seats (F20, Y/MCE47, Y129). The new larger AirSpace XL space overhead bins are used and mood lighting also. A/C + USB power is provided to all seats. IFE is served to your device (free) from an onboard WiFi server. ViaSat Ka band WiFi (fee) is standard.
See illustrations in the first few posts in this thread.
JonNYC: MCE is row 8-11, 17 (overwing exit), 27 (exit row, 5 seats in row,) 18-21 (D,E,F)
MCE and Y are reduced to 737 MAX standards (MCE 33”, Y 30”). The seat is the same Rockwell Collins Meridian used in the 737 MAX 8 and “Project Oasis” conversion. The slightly greater diameter of the A320 family fuselage allows a slightly wider seat.
American outlines A321neo network in 2Q19
By Jim Liu, Routes Online link
Posted 23 December 2018 13:50
American Airlines during the weekend of 23DEC18’s schedule update filed planned Airbus A321neo routes, under aircraft code 32Q. Planned A321neo service is scheduled for the second quarter of 2019, with configuration of F20 Y176.
LAX – MCO 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA2361/219)
PHX – ANC 06JUN19 – 19AUG19 1 daily (AA1413/1372)
PHX – LAX 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA820/1895)
PHX – MCO 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA682/1022; Except 21APR19)
By Jim Liu, Routes Online link
Posted 23 December 2018 13:50
American Airlines during the weekend of 23DEC18’s schedule update filed planned Airbus A321neo routes, under aircraft code 32Q. Planned A321neo service is scheduled for the second quarter of 2019, with configuration of F20 Y176.
LAX – MCO 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA2361/219)
PHX – ANC 06JUN19 – 19AUG19 1 daily (AA1413/1372)
PHX – LAX 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA820/1895)
PHX – MCO 02APR19 – 02MAY19 1 daily (AA682/1022; Except 21APR19)
According to David Seymour, American’s Senior Vice President of Integrated Operations, when they take the A321neo starting in January “that will actually serve as the platform to get certification for our refurbishment and standardization of the 321s... so we can go common configuration.” That effort will start in February.
LAA “32B”: F16 (38” pitch), Y165 including 38 MCE (181 total seat count)
LUS A321: F16 (36” pitch), Y171 including 18 MCE (187 total seat count)
(Note: Delta A321 has 192 seats.)
Link to the archived previous thread discussing the A321neo prior to arrival.
AA just received first Airbus A321neo / A321-253NX / 32Q 1 Feb 2019
Feb 1, 2019, 6:15 pm
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Feb 1, 2019, 7:36 pm
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I happen to work in the same field as you, and let’s just say that getting 100+ devices streaming multi-mbps over wifi is non-trivial. And I don’t expect Viasat or (especially) AA to be good at it.
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Feb 1, 2019, 7:39 pm
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My point is really that built in IFE is superior for all kinds of different reasons, hardwired connections being one of them. But we all know why AA is ditching it, and it’s not cause people want to stream on their phones.
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Feb 2, 2019, 7:08 am
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My point is really that built in IFE is superior for all kinds of different reasons, hardwired connections being one of them. But we all know why AA is ditching it, and it’s not cause people want to stream on their phones.
https://www.gogoair.com/learning-cen...entertainment/
Feb 2, 2019, 8:50 am
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Feb 2, 2019, 9:22 am
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Highlighting why I just don’t get airbus. They make a poor man’s aircraft. They design stuff wings which lead to poorer customer experience in less than ideal flying conditions and the fact that a plane designed more than 40 years ago that is similar size out performs the range on something that is supposedly up to date and fuel efficient is pathetic. I hope Boeing gets that 797 into action so AA can cancel some of the 321neo orders and just get one plane, 797 that will take over the range gap in their fleet that will occur as the 757/767 are complete retired.
Makenit simple:
319/320/321/737: domestic fleet
797/787/777: international fleet
Put down the 330/757/767 and just use neos to replace any older US 321s (though I admit I am u see the belief none are that old, but lines up well if they are).
Just my .02
Cheers,
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Makenit simple:
319/320/321/737: domestic fleet
797/787/777: international fleet
Put down the 330/757/767 and just use neos to replace any older US 321s (though I admit I am u see the belief none are that old, but lines up well if they are).
Just my .02
Cheers,
TG
Feb 2, 2019, 10:28 am
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Does anyone know what's the minimum runway length needed for the A321neo to take off with maximum load.
The A321H's has weight restrictions departing for LAX from LIH (156 maximum number of passenger - holds 181 - and frequently even less) and OGG (IIRC, approximately 170 passengers max) due to the relatively short runways there. As far as I know, the Neo has the same wing as the A321H, which requires 2,000' more runway for takeoff with a full load of passengers cargo and fuel than the 752.
The A321H's has weight restrictions departing for LAX from LIH (156 maximum number of passenger - holds 181 - and frequently even less) and OGG (IIRC, approximately 170 passengers max) due to the relatively short runways there. As far as I know, the Neo has the same wing as the A321H, which requires 2,000' more runway for takeoff with a full load of passengers cargo and fuel than the 752.
Feb 2, 2019, 11:42 am
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In reality it is trivial. For Viasat and Gogo- this is how they make money and you may find it shocking that they are good at it.
Space, power, weight, maintenance, obsolescence. Makes sense to me why most carriers ditching them. Here's another one to blow your hard-wired mind set...
https://www.gogoair.com/learning-cen...entertainment/
Space, power, weight, maintenance, obsolescence. Makes sense to me why most carriers ditching them. Here's another one to blow your hard-wired mind set...
https://www.gogoair.com/learning-cen...entertainment/
Feb 2, 2019, 11:48 am
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Delta clearly thinks in-seat IFE is the way to go and is installing it on all new places with no plans to remove. New in-seat units are as thin and weigh as much as a modern tablet and can be easily replaced with newer models. The idea that in-seat IFE means heavy outdated screens and wires everywhere is outdated.
Delta also think it’s ok to fly Boeing 717 and MD-80 and not planning to retire it anytime soon. I’ll take OASIS 738Max or 32Q over those ancient planes.
Feb 2, 2019, 11:50 am
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I’ll take high speed WiFi and Netflix streaming over AA IFE screens. The only thing I will miss is the airshow. I don’t think you can stream that on your phone from AA app unfortunately.
Delta also think it’s ok to fly Boeing 717 and MD-80 and not planning to retire it anytime soon. I’ll take OASIS 738Max or 32Q over those ancient planes.
Feb 2, 2019, 11:55 am
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Feb 2, 2019, 11:56 am
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I think this has been discussed before, but does the A321-neo have the range to fly the PHL-Europe routes AA currently uses the 757-200 on? I wonder if the neo will be the type that replaces all 757 aircraft, and we may eventually see an international configuration on the neo?
Feb 2, 2019, 11:58 am
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I think this has been discussed before, but does the A321-neo have the range to fly the PHL-Europe routes AA currently uses the 757-200 on? I wonder if the neo will be the type that replaces all 757 aircraft, and we may eventually see an international configuration on the neo?
Feb 2, 2019, 12:08 pm
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31" Y/34" C+/37" F is too much leg room. Also the engines can be really loud if you are in the front half of the plane, especially in F; I hear everyone complains about the noise a lot up there...
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D-AVYQ was the original builder’s reg for N400AA. The depicted aircraft has no 2L, is equipped with sharklets. The photo has been changed by TWA884. Wiki posts are to be updated, etc. by members with 180 days and 180 posts, so ultimately this worked as intended.
Another photo is
from planespottersnet.
Another photo is
from planespottersnet.
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