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For the current thread, please see here.

NOTE: AA uses Terminals 4 and 5, the remote “Eagle’s Nest” and some gates at TBIT


Link to Los Angeles World Airports' LAX Airport website

NOTE: LAX is always undergoing changes; be aware the information herein may change. See here for LAWA notices affecting passengers.

Link LAWA / LAX FAQ page.

Link to aa.com


Link to 14 Feb 2017 post with AA-AA Minimum Times Times

NOTE: The Admirals Club® lounge and Flagship Lounge in Terminal 4 at Los Angeles International (LAX) are under renovations.

Special notice

AA operate from multiple terminals at LAX. Check in at Terminal 5, east end (Gates 50-59, including Remote American Eagle terminal, gates 52A-J) or Terminal 4 (Gates 40-49, 110-159)
. (As of 31 Jan 2017)

NOTE: the 100s gates are at the Tom Bradley International Air Terminal (aka Terminal B), accessible to / from Terminal 4 by the airside connector if you are already airside and security cleared.


[AA T-6 ops moved to T-5; other airline positioning to occur 12, 14 and 16 May 2017[/B]


Check-in times as of March 2016 Link

In most locations, you must be checked in:

At least 45 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights within the United States

At least 60 minutes before scheduled departure, for flights to or from airports outside of the United States
. Some non-US require more.

If you are checking in with baggage to check at T-4, not T-5, and flying American Eagle from the remote "Eagle's Nest" 52A-J gates (31 Jan 2017 and after), you must check in 90 minutes prior to departure.

LAYOUT: LAX is like a letter "U" on its side, open end facing right. The Tom Bradley International Terminal is the bar of the "U" facing left, on the west side. Terminals 1, 2 and 3 on the north and 4 - 8 on the south. Entering the semicircular, counter-clockwise roadway serving the terminals, you will pass terminals 1, 2, 3, TBIT, 4, 5, 6, etc. There is quite a bit of construction going on and the airport roadways can get quite congested.

MCT: Though international to International or Domestic Minimum Connect Times (MCT) are listed as 2:00, arriving at the remote western 200 pads and gates (served by busses from the terminals), connecting between T4, T6, Remote Eagle terminal and TBIT, not to mention lengthy USCBP queues and the need to proceed landslide to connecting terminals and processing security may make 2:00 unrealistic at times. MCT Domestic to Domestic or International is often 0:40, but this may be unrealistic if connecting American Eagle remote terminal 52A-J and a domestic flight at TBIT, for example.

Operating terminals and gates

Terminal 4: AA primarily uses Terminal 4, Gates 40-49 but now also uses Terminal 5 (50-59, 52A-I remote Eagle gates and TBIT (110-159). Flagship Checkin, Admirals Club and Flagship Lounge are all in T-4.


Tom Bradley International Terminal ("100") gates 110-159 for domestic and international flights, with no particular flight assignment - check your gates information.

oneworld Business and Qantas First lounges in TBIT for qualified passengers. See LOUNGE DASHBOARD for further information - link.

Occasionally, the "200 gates" remote pads (bus from T-4) may be used. Terminal 4 and TBIT are connected airside by a new connector. Qualified travelers may use the TBIT oneworld Business or Qantas First lounges. See separate thread.

Terminal 5 AS OF Tue 31 Jan 2017: Legacy US flights operate from Terminal 5, gates 50 - 59. It is best to check in for American Eagle flights at T-5. Airside connection exists, as well as shuttles. Bus port at T-5 is at gate 52. American Eagle checked baggage is delivered to Terminal 5 baggage carousels; Eagle remote gates are now numbered 52A-J.


Terminal 6: Alaska Airlines flights operate from Terminal 6.

Legacy US flights operated from Terminal 6 until 31 Jan 2017; AA no longer operates out of Terminal 6.

American Eagle Remote Terminal "Eagle's Nest": Regional flights operate at a remote terminal served frequently by airside shuttle busses from bus gates 44 and 60. The remote American Eagle terminal gate numeration has changed: "May 16 2016 the remote gates at LAX formerly 44 A-J were renumbered to 60 A-J." There is a "junior" Admirals Club here. Preferred Eagle check in and baggage carousels are in T-5?

While you may check in at T-4 for American Eagle, those with baggage to check must do so no less than 90 minutes prior to departure. The preferred baggage check deadline is in place at T-5 for American Eagle.

Walking Interterminal - Landside

Note: You can walk airside between Terminal 4 and TBIT as of 25 Feb 2016. See LAX Terminal 4 - Tom Bradley Intl Terminal Secure Connector), and on to T-5 via a corridor (ground floor, by bus gate 44).

One can also walk landside between terminals on upper or lower walkway sidewalks just outside the roadway. Lower walkways are protected from the weather, upper walkways are not. Distances can be short (T-4 <-> TBIT) or long (20 minutes or less in all cases, and there are crosswalks and walkways serving north and south terminals. See north - south blue corridors in Ground Transport map, above; walkways parallel them.

For access to the Tom Bradley International Terminal ("TBIT") one may also proceed landslide and walk a short distance, or take the counter clockwise landside courtesy airport shuttle bus.

Originally Posted by QueenOfCoach
Here is a graphic I made from a Google Earth Streetview screenshot that shows how close T4 is to TBIT. It's a two-minute walk. One minute if you are fast.

Link to fullsize map


Airside - Shuttle Bus or Walking

Airside shuttle busses:

NO BUS T-4 <-> T-5 (faster to walk pedestrian tunnel)
T-4 <-> Remote Eagle terminal (most efficient and frequent)
T-5 <-> Remote Eagle terminal (more frequent than from / to T-4)

Terminals 4 and 5: A courtesy shuttle bus operates airside between Terminal 4, ex-gate 44 bus gate, and Terminal 6 gate 60-62 through Mon 30 Jan 2017 - afterwards, Terminal gate 52, every fifteen minutes between 05:00 and 23:00; ongoing boarding pass required. At other times one either take the airside corridor T-5 Tue 31 Jan and after <-> T-4 or exit landslide and walk or take the counter-clockwise landslide courtesy shuttle bus.

American Eagle Remote Terminal: A courtesy shuttle bus serves the American Eagle remote terminal from Terminal 5, gate 52. Note: American Eagle checked baggage is delivered to Terminal 5 baggage carousels. Another shuttle runs from Terminal 4, gate 44 bus gate. A boarding pass to Gate 52A-I is required. This is the sole way of reaching these gates (other than Five Star Service passengers, who are shuttled via the Tarmac in Cadillac SUVs).

Terminal 4 - TBIT: The new pedestrian airside connector opened 25 Feb 2015. Qantas and AA passengers departing the TBIT can check in at Terminal 4, process airside, use Admirals or Flagship lounges T-4 <-> TBIT shuttles apparently ended when the airside connector open 25 Feb 2016[/hl].

Walk Terminals 4 and 5: One can walk airside using the Terminal 4 - 5 - 6 connector.

Walk Terminal 4 - TBIT airside connector: An airside connector leading to TBIT is open effective 25 Feb 2016. See here (FT) for more.


Getting from terminal to terminal, concourse to concourse, landside

Landside courtesy airport shuttle bus
  • "A" line buses: Transports passengers between terminals. "A" route operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and runs every 10 minutes (counter clockwise)

  • "C" line buses: Transports passengers to and from Parking Lot C. Travelers can walk to the LAX City Bus Center from Lot C. "C" route operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and runs every 10 to 15 minutes.

  • "G" line busses: Transports passengers with a valid TAP card to and from the Metro Green Line Aviation Station. Service is aligned with the rail schedule. To view, please go to www.metro.net . Click here for Green line Boarding Procedures (PDF document). TAP card is not required when taking the G Bus from LAX to the Aviation Metro Station.

  • Use this link for a real time map display of shuttle bus locations and movements.

  • Rental car company busses: transport passengers between terminals and car rental facilities.

Ground Transportation stops / pickups at LAX

NOTE: Rental, hotel shuttle, Über, etc. stops are in front of each terminal on the arrivals / lower level at the island crossing the first lanes of traffic.


Security at LAX

Link to FlyerGuide information on LAX T-4 Security.

TSA PreCheck: Yes (Terminal 4 upstairs, east; Terminal 5?)

Priority Access line in a Terminal 4 is accessed from the escalator on the left end (looking at the counters) of the terminal (furthest from TBIT, closest to terminal 5), next to the Priority Access check-in area. Often there is an AA worker at the bottom of the escalator making sure only Priority Access passengers go up this escalator. The First, Business and Priority Access lines now have their own screening room far from the economy area. This private room has multiple screening lines and during peak periods additional lines are opened up.

Security for (TBIT) international arrivals proceeding to Terminal 4 is open as of February 2017. When exiting TBIT customs and baggage recheck area, turn right immediately after the exit and proceed down the hallway to the checkpoint. No Pre-Check.


Check-in and ticketing at LAX and check in times Link

Flagship Check-in: YES Marked exclusive T-4 Flagship check-in entrance 4:00 a.m. – 1:00 a.m.

Five Star Service: YES

Priority and Preferred Access: YES

Curbside check-in: Yes. Terminal 4 only, including for international destinations.

Minimum time for checking in and arriving at the gate at LAX

Minimum time to check baggage

To help us get your bag on the same flight with you, present your bag to an airline representative for check-in no later than the cutoff time.

For flights within and between the U.S., Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands:
  • Check bags at least 45 minutes prior to scheduled departure at LAX

For flights originating in airports outside the U.S. or flights departing the U.S. for an international destination:
  • Check bags at least 60 minutes prior to scheduled departure (90’ if checking for Eagle at T-4 instead of T-5)

Time to baggage delivery: expect 0:30 or more.


Ticket counter locations

Terminal 4: upon entry, Qantas to right; First and Priority Access to left; Main Cabin straight ahead.
Self-service check-in kiosks available.
Open Daily: 04:00 - 00:30 (4 am to midnight + 30)

Terminal 5, east side: OPEN Tue 31 Jan 2017
Open Daily: 4:30 AM - 12:30 AM

Terminal 6: CLOSE Tue 31 Jan 2017
Open Daily: 4:30 AM - 12:30 AM

If departing on American Eagle, suggested check-in at T-5 Tue 31 Jan 2017 or after.


Minimum and reasonable connection and check-in times at LAX

See 20 May 2016 ExpertFlyer MCT listings here:
Originally Posted by serfty
The MCT's for AA at LAX are a mess...
Q. What are minimum check-in time requirements at LAX?

AA requires arriving a minimum of 45 minutes prior to domestic departures if departing domestically (including Hawai'i, Puerto Rico and the U. S. Virgin Islands) if one has no baggage to check; 60 minutes if one must check baggage; and two hours prior to international departures.

Additionally, AA requires passengers be checked in at least 45 minutes prior to scheduled departure at LAX and "Arrive at the gate and be ready to board at least 15 minutes prior to domestic departure" and 30 minutes prior to international departure. Gates close to boarding 10 minutes prior to departure.

Q. What is the domestic to domestic or domestic to international Minimum Connection Time (MCT)?

The minimum connect time at LAX, domestic to domestic or international, is 0:40 minutes. International to domestic or international MCT is 2:00, but as mentioned previously, this may be insufficient. Note: MCT is generally not waived for international passengers arriving from USCBP pre-clearance airports.

See AA domestic to international MCT from ExpertFlyer Nov 2016 c/o Serfty here.

Q. If I am making an international to international connection, what is the process?

There is no international transit process in nearly all airports in the USA (DFW and MIA have a baggage exception for international to international). Arriving internationally, unless you have been pre-cleared, you must proceed through U. S. immigration (there are kiosks and a fast channel for Global Entry approved passengers), recover your baggage from the baggage carousel and proceed through U. S. Customs.

Upon exiting Customs at TBIT there is a bag drop facility; drop your checked baggage, exit to the landside arrivals area. Pre-cleared passengers arriving at TBIT will bypass USCBP (but most airlines will enforce international to domestic MCT nonetheless).

ALL arrivals are forced landside (you may pass back through security at the TBIT end of the T-4 - TBIT connector) and Terminal 4 is a short walk to your right, Terminal 6 farther; one can board courtesy airport "A" busses and be dropped off very shortly at T-4 or T-5.

NOTE: Whilst most international Arrivals process immigration and customs at TBIT, some arriving at T-4 may walk a long underground passage and process formalities at TBIT. Others may process at T-4, but if you arrive with bags those will be available at TBIT.

There is no Arrivals Loinge for AA or oneworld customers at LAX.

Q. What is AA policy if I have separate tickets and my incoming flight is delayed?

Protection for oneworld world customers travelling on separate bookings:
oneworld Global Support

Your oneworld connection is generally not officially protected, but the airline may help you and put you on the next available flight, and AA does generally protect oneworld connections at this time..

If your flights are on the same PNR:

Connecting between airlines at unfamiliar airports can be a stressful experience, especially if your flight is delayed. American Airlines recognizes the impact delays and missed connections can have on your plans and on your life. That is why we partnered with the other oneworld member airlines to form teams of connection experts: oneworld Global Support.

At select airports across the oneworld alliance network, teams are proactively monitoring connecting flights and, whenever possible, they will meet and assist you if your connection is in jeopardy. The oneworld Global Support teams will do their best to allow you to use dedicated fast track lanes through immigration or security to help you catch your next flight. Our teams will also do everything possible to transfer your baggage so that it makes it on time to your final destination.

If you miss your connecting flight, the oneworld Global Support team will provide you with updated travel information, a new boarding pass and, where applicable, assistance with overnight accommodations.

oneworld Global Support is currently available at Chicago O'Hare, Dallas/Fort Worth, London Heathrow, Los Angeles, Madrid-Barajas, Miami, New York JFK and Sydney. The service is offered at these airports whenever possible, subject to operational constraints.
See:
Q. Can I check my baggage through?

If you're connecting within the oneworld alliance or airlines with an interline agreement and your connection is under eleven hours, all segments on the same PNR, probably. If over that or with separate PNRs (even within oneworld) airlines without an interline agreements with AA or on separate tickets connecting with non-oneworld airlines, no.

See oneworld not requiring protection or interline baggage 1 Jun 2016; AA policy.

Q. Is there baggage storage at LAX?

No. Since 9/11 most USA airports have eliminated baggage storage, but you can use a baggage storage firm that will pick up, store and return your baggage. You do not have to pre-book, and they are open 24/7: http://www.laxluggagestorage.com. There are $5 pickup, $5 return and storage charges.


WiFi at LAX:

"Internet Access at Los Angeles LAX Airport. LAX Airport offers free internet access, with paid upgrades: Free Wi-Fi service for up to 44 minutes is available in most of the public areas of the Airport - provided by Advanced Wireless Group."

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Other resources
  • Link to AA FAQ: Will I make my connection?
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Old Jan 16, 2017, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
ITBIT CBP is available 24/7. Remember CBP also is involved with outgoing flights doing declarationso for money and CARNETs. Thus CBP has to be present at all hours. There's flights that get in after 1am with passengers regularly. Plus they have to be ready for any late arrivals. The terminal checkin and TSA may not be 24/7 though.
Well, you got me curious. According to the following press release (dated May 2016), CBP hours in TBIT are 6am-Midnight.
http://lawa.org/newsContent.aspx?ID=2170

Unless things have changed very recently, I really don't think it's 24/7 as you say it is.
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Old Jan 16, 2017, 12:01 pm
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
Well, you got me curious. According to the following press release (dated May 2016), CBP hours in TBIT are 6am-Midnight.
http://lawa.org/newsContent.aspx?ID=2170

Unless things have changed very recently, I really don't think it's 24/7 as you say it is.
They are available for use. It doesn't mean the stations are manned overnight except when needed. However flights regularly arrive during those hours due to either delays or early arrivals.
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12
Well, you got me curious. According to the following press release (dated May 2016), CBP hours in TBIT are 6am-Midnight.
http://lawa.org/newsContent.aspx?ID=2170

Unless things have changed very recently, I really don't think it's 24/7 as you say it is.
There is a scheduled intentional flight arrival tomorrow, for example, at 3:40am. Granted there are no more until 5:00am when the rush begins, but that certainly goes against the press release. Looking back over actual arrivals in the last three days, they have been a 24-hour operation.
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Old Jan 16, 2017, 7:13 pm
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Originally Posted by zpaul
There is a scheduled intentional flight arrival tomorrow, for example, at 3:40am. Granted there are no more until 5:00am when the rush begins, but that certainly goes against the press release. Looking back over actual arrivals in the last three days, they have been a 24-hour operation.
Is that flight a passenger flight? If you're talking about CI 5118, that's a freighter flight. I have no idea about CBP operations in terms of cargo flights...
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Old Jan 16, 2017, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by TWA884
This is simply incorrect.

This is the American Airlines forum and this thread discusses connections between AA flights at LAX. The OP's question was about connecting from an AA flight arriving from YYZ to an American Eagle flight departing for SMF.

With the exception of arriving international passengers who have to go through immigrations and customs - Toronto has a pre-clearance facility, so passengers arriving from there are treated as domestic arrivals - all passengers connecting from one AA flight to another do not have to go through security (as are passengers connecting between any airline operating at TBIT and Terminals 4 - 7, which are connected behind security).
Depends on how you define "transfer". What you are defining is a connection. You are right if you specifically are talking about AA only.
I was talking about a transfer, as in I am flying in to LA to catch an international flight (I have to specify TBIT because apparently it can be other terminals as well). It is a ridiculous process, taking a ridiculous amount of time. And we are talking flying from the US through LAX, not arriving from overseas to the US.
BOS is also pretty miserable in that sense. With the improvements in LA arriving isn't as bad as it was (with Global Entry it wasn't that much of an issue prior) but I would always choose SFO over LAX in the past, even living in southern California, but now LAX is bearable. But if I had a connection I would always choose SFO.
I mean, LAX is the worst large airport in America. Which makes it 4th world, I guess, cause we all know NYC has third-world airports.
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
Depends on how you define "transfer". What you are defining is a connection. You are right if you specifically are talking about AA only.
I was talking about a transfer, as in I am flying in to LA to catch an international flight (I have to specify TBIT because apparently it can be other terminals as well). It is a ridiculous process, taking a ridiculous amount of time. And we are talking flying from the US through LAX, not arriving from overseas to the US.
BOS is also pretty miserable in that sense. With the improvements in LA arriving isn't as bad as it was (with Global Entry it wasn't that much of an issue prior) but I would always choose SFO over LAX in the past, even living in southern California, but now LAX is bearable. But if I had a connection I would always choose SFO.
I mean, LAX is the worst large airport in America. Which makes it 4th world, I guess, cause we all know NYC has third-world airports.
While I might agree with you that SFO on the whole is better than LAX, unless you're connecting from United to Star Alliance (i.e., an airline that leaves out of Concourse G), you generally have to re-clear security at SFO if you're connecting from domestic to international. SFO weather is also much less predictable than LAX. And finally, as you say, LAX has improved.
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Old Jan 16, 2017, 11:51 pm
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Originally Posted by s0ssos
Depends on how you define "transfer". What you are defining is a connection. You are right if you specifically are talking about AA only.
I was talking about a transfer, as in I am flying in to LA to catch an international flight (I have to specify TBIT because apparently it can be other terminals as well). It is a ridiculous process, taking a ridiculous amount of time. And we are talking flying from the US through LAX, not arriving from overseas to the US.
First, this is being discussed is the American Airlines forum and the OP's comments were about a connection between two AA flights.

Secondly, since the opening of the TBIT-T4 connector last year (LAX AA T-4 - TBIT secure airside connector open 25 Feb 2016), TBIT and all the terminals on the south side of the airport, that is T4, T5, T6 and T7, are connected behind security.

That means that you can connect or transfer from any domestic flight arriving at any of these terminals to any international flight departing from any of these terminals without having to exit the secured area and go through security.

You will have to go through security if your domestic flight arrives in T1, T2 or T3.
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Originally Posted by TWA884
Secondly, since the opening of the TBIT-T4 connector last year (LAX AA T-4 - TBIT secure airside connector open 25 Feb 2016), TBIT and all the terminals on the south side of the airport, that is T4, T5, T6 and T7, are connected behind security.

That means that you can connect or transfer from any domestic flight arriving at any of these terminals to any international flight departing from any of these terminals without having to exit the secured area and go through security.

You will have to go through security if your domestic flight arrives in T1, T2 or T3.
Flying from the Bay Area my options were mainly Delta, American and Southwest. I actually did not know you could connect airside for multiple carriers. Thanks for the info, I could have kept my flight (ended up changing to SFO departure cause I thought it was too much of a hassle)
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TBIT CBP for passenger flights is definitely not scheduled 24/7. It was extremely obvious that every flight was holding passengers until soon after 6am (actually, it was after 615am until permission was given) before people were let off planes.

You can imagine the craziness at immigration and baggage with bags falling off the carousel because they were so full due to people going very slow through the process (the wait for a passport scanner was very long in my opinion and there is no MPC yet at LAX). Even GE was no piece of cake.

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Old Jan 29, 2017, 9:16 am
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NOTE AA moves (LUS terminal) from Terminal 6 to Terminal 5 as of Tuesday, January 31, 2017.

Originally Posted by dreidel
Got an email early this AM that ...AA no longer operates out of Terminal 6. It says all flights are now leaving from 40-49, 50-59, and 110-159... <snip>

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From the DL forum:
Originally Posted by ty97
LAWA has posted official notice that AA is taking over 50A, 50B, 53A, and 53B on 1/31 (52 will service as the Eagle's Nest bus gate). On the same date, DL will temporarily add the vacated T6 AA gates.

http://www.lawa.org/newsContent.aspx?ID=2294

One piece of wording I found interesting from the release (emphasize mine): "This is the first step in the months-long process that will eventually relocate all of Delta’s operations from its current Terminals 5 and 6 to Terminals 2 and 3, as soon as this May.

I read this (perhaps over-read this) to suggest the May completion of the terminal shuffle may be in doubt.
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At one point in time AA had their own CBP in T4. What is the current status in 2017 in T4? Is there any CBP for incoming international flights, or do all incoming passengers on AA have to go through TBIT CBP?

If the latter, I am assuming that, whether the planes have a gate in T4 itself or TBIT, it doesnt matter - T4 incoming passengers get shuttled through to TBIT airside, somehow?

Reason I ask - I have Global Entry - hoping to be able to utilize it for a fast CBP process, which in the past has been quick for me in TBIT.
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Originally Posted by jxsheikh
At one point in time AA had their own CBP in T4. What is the current status in 2017 in T4? Is there any CBP for incoming international flights, or do all incoming passengers on AA have to go through TBIT CBP?

If the latter, I am assuming that, whether the planes have a gate in T4 itself or TBIT, it doesnt matter - T4 incoming passengers get shuttled through to TBIT airside, somehow?

Reason I ask - I have Global Entry - hoping to be able to utilize it for a fast CBP process, which in the past has been quick for me in TBIT.
I don't know if the T4 CBP will ever come back (and I hope it does), but I can tell you that when T4 CBP was in operation, there were two Global Entry kiosks available for passengers. I used them, myself, in the early days of Global Entry.
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When you pull up CBP stats it shows one or two flights a day clearing at T4. Is this an error?
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